I am also a member of the Dish. The majority there are into lotion making more than soap.I was browsing the Dish forum (I don't post there as I find the forum intimidating, generally) and noticed several experienced soapers state that they use a steep water discount and consider their CP soaps cured after just a few days. If anyone mentioned that here, they'd be shot down in flames - I'm wondering why one group of people find that acceptable? I know the water disc will account for a harder bar, at least, but we all know that hard doesn't equate to cured.