I just have to tell you guys the oddest thing. This cream soap group may be very elitist and hard to get into, but my mom was complaining about all these messages about cream soap getting into her mailbox. I had to block them for her. I never paid attention much to cream soap except for today I was talking to someone who mentioned wanting something like it. I saw this thread and thought....no way. Sure enough, my mom who knows nothing about soap and has no desire to, has somehow become a member of said elitist group without even trying. It's been driving her crazy. I can assure you, she never applied and she certainly doesn't make soap. How weird is the internet?