Castile vs Bastille. . . That is the Question

[melstan775]

Thanks for the history lesson about the definition of castille soap. I like stuff
Like that. Awesome facts are awesome.

 

[lillybella]

Hi

Would adding sugar to Castile rebatch - (made with just Olive Oil) make a difference with lather & that slimy feel?

I love my Castile Soap, but I think some of my customers would prefer more lather. I don't want to refer to the lather as slimy.

I'm not sure how to describe the lather in Castile Soap - calling it slimy doesn't sound too appealing, but I feel like I should let my customers know the lather isn't the same as soaps with coconut oil in them.

Any ideas?

Thank you,
lily

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Hi,
Can anyone help me with my sugar question & my slimy question, please?

lily

 

[judymoody]

I've never added sugar to Castille soap so I can't answer your question. I've only made it once and even after a year's cure, I still didn't care for it.

If it were me and I wanted to use 100% OO, I'd use coconut milk at the liquid. That would give you some natural sugars as well as the fat that's in the coconut milk. Of course then it wouldn't be true Castille but it depends how purist you want to be.

 

[lillybella]

Thank you. Judy.
That's a really good idea.

How about a nicer way to say slimy?

 

[Gryfonmoon]

How about a nicer way to say slimy?

How about viscous?

"Here we have a 100% olive oil bar with a mild, viscous lather..."

 

[lillybella]

viscous=slimy LOL

anything else more like creamy???? silky????

 

[Gryfonmoon]

I think creamy would be a nice way to say it.

 

[green soap]

what is slimy to someone is silky to someone else....

 

[lillybella]

Thank you!

I like silky!

 

[Venus]

Hello from Greece

According to Greek law you can call your soap a) Pure Castile type only if contains 100% Extra virgin olive oil, no color, no scent. It’s just lye and and extra virgin olive oil.
b) You can call your soap Castile type only if contains 100% olive oil (no pomace), no color, no scent. It’s just lye and and olive oil
c) You can call your soap “olive oil soap” only if it contains more than 60% olive oil.
So when you use pomace in your soap, even if it’s 100% pomace, you can’t call it castile type. It’s just an olive soap. All these according to Greek law of course…..

Has anybody try to add salt and sugar to a castile type soap? Do we have better lather and harder soap this way????

 

[lillybella]

salt and sugar to a castile type soap

Has anybody try to add salt and sugar to a castile type soap? Do we have better lather and harder soap this way????

Hi

I would like to know this too!

My Castile Soap (rebatch) 100% OO gets so hard! It's as hard as a ROCK!

Personally, I do not like my soap this hard!

lily

 

[Gryfonmoon]

Hello from Greece

According to Greek law you can call your soap a) Pure Castile type only if contains 100% Extra virgin olive oil, no color, no scent. It’s just lye and and extra virgin olive oil.
b) You can call your soap Castile type only if contains 100% olive oil (no pomace), no color, no scent. It’s just lye and and olive oil
c) You can call your soap “olive oil soap” only if it contains more than 60% olive oil.
So when you use pomace in your soap, even if it’s 100% pomace, you can’t call it castile type. It’s just an olive soap. All these according to Greek law of course…..

Has anybody try to add salt and sugar to a castile type soap? Do we have better lather and harder soap this way????

I wonder why pomace is excluded? I use pomace olive oil, and the tin says it's mixed with extra virgin. I know pomace is extruded a bit differently though so maybe that's it.

 

[Venus]

I wonder why pomace is excluded? I use pomace olive oil, and the tin says it's mixed with extra virgin. I know pomace is extruded a bit differently though so maybe that's it.

Olive oil is extracted from the fruit of the olive tree. There are different types, grades and uses of olive oil, depending on how the original oil is extracted. Pomace oil is a lesser grade and quality than olive oil due to the way in which it is extracted and the chemicals used in the process.
Virgin olive oil is a superior quality, grade and overall product than pomace oil.

 

[Gryfonmoon]

Olive oil is extracted from the fruit of the olive tree. There are different types, grades and uses of olive oil, depending on how the original oil is extracted. Pomace oil is a lesser grade and quality than olive oil due to the way in which it is extracted and the chemicals used in the process.
Virgin olive oil is a superior quality, grade and overall product than pomace oil.

I understand that pomace tastes terrible, but for soaping it's great. It seems to be a waste of money to use extra virgin olive oil for soaping when it's better to eat it. Does olive oil quality really honestly matter for soap making?

 

[Dorado]

I've made soap from fresh 1 ¤ hand-pressed olive oil (green brown) of virgin olive oil (green) and cheap olive oil (light yellow)
And I can say there is a big difference.
I prefer the hand-pressed, a much fatter soap, without being slimy.
I just ordered 40 lb, from some friends who have olive trees. And I'm certainly not going to use it for cooking.

 

[Gryfonmoon]

Although I do not have access to fresh pressed olive oil (so I can't comment on that directly), I personally haven't noticed any real difference in pomace versus virgin, extra virgin, or regular olive oils.

Although I would love to find some super fresh OO to try! That sounds neat!

 

[Venus]

I understand that pomace tastes terrible, but for soaping it's great. It seems to be a waste of money to use extra virgin olive oil for soaping when it's better to eat it. Does olive oil quality really honestly matter for soap making?

It's a personal preference. I find that pomace and "grade B" olive oil saponifies way too quickly for me (I like to play with it before pouring into the molds).
I also don't like to use the lower grades because a solvent is usually used to extract the oil. My personal preference is to stay away from oils extracted with a solvent... It's just me, it probably doesn't really matter that much!
From the other hand....pomace and grade b olive oil give better soap because the lower the grade, the more molecules there are that won't go through saponification. In other words, more of the olive oil will remain intact throughout the reaction making the soap better for your skin. And of course it's much cheaper

 

[CaliChan]

I never tried to do 100 olive oil. im gonna try it today!

 

[Gryfonmoon]

You know, now that I think about it, I wonder if I've never seen much of a difference because of the source of my oils; just because it's labeled at 'pure' or 'virgin' doesn't mean it's NOT adulterated. Hmmmm....

CaliChan, do it! It takes a while to cure but it's wonderful stuff.

 

[lillybella]

I love my 100% Olive Oil - whether slimy or silky I love it!

I do it as a rebatch because I can't wait a year for it.

I started making it because I have a customer who can not use any nut products. She is allergic. She asked me to make her soap with no coconut, shea butter...

She loves the OO and she doesn't have any problems at all with it!