Avocado oil vs butter vs puree

[FifthCap]

What are the pros and cons of each and what do you prefer?

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

I don't think a direct comparison is really fair, or possible - one is a saponifiable while the others aren't.

Eta unless the butter is also saponifiable

 

[cmzaha]

Avocado oil is oil of course. Avocado butter is made different ways, some are mixed with hydrogenated veggie oils and one I have seen is made with avo oil, beeswax and soybean lipids. The avocado butter I prefer is hydrogenated avocado oil from New Directions Aromatics. Avocado puree is just that and should be used as water replacement. You just do not know the oil content of the avocado so cannot give it a sap number that would be dependable. If it happens to be an avocado with high oil content you will pick up some superfatting properties from it.

 

[FifthCap]

I guess I ment if you were going to make 'avocado soap ' which route would y'all be more inclined to use?

 

[Lindy]

I use and love Avocado oil in soaps.

ETA I like to use what is pure and in my experience the butter has other oils and additives which I don't know the %ages of.

 

[shunt2011]

I too love avocado oil in soap. I also use it in my salt bars.

 

[dixiedragon]

I would use the oil and the puree. I do not think there is any value (in soap) in the butters that are just a liquid oil mixed with hydrogenated vegetable oil.

Once I made a coconut soap - it had coconut oil, coconut milk, coconut FO and coconut flour for scrubbing. If you are making a "themed" soap like that, I like to include as many elements as possible.

 

[LunaSkye]

I guess I ment if you were going to make 'avocado soap ' which route would y'all be more inclined to use?

I think I may have seen a video with one soaper making avacado soap using the puree and oil. If you want to be safe, I would suggest sticking to either just the oil and butter or using the puree as part of the water content, maybe 50%. I never made avacado soap, but I would be adventurous enough to use the puree as the majority of the water content in addition to a much AVO I can fit into the recipe. Still, I will only suggest that you play it safe if you are unsure and to make a small batch for testing.

 

[Meganmischke]

I have used both oil and puree in soap. I have also made my own avocado butter with avocado oil and vegethix. The butter is saponifiable but I think it's too pricy to waste in soap. What make it a butter is just the addition of fully hydrogenated soybean like a soy wax

 

[lionprincess00]

I used the puree.
It saponifies as it is high in fat. It is the best choice, in my opinion *depending*. It made a wonderful soft creamy soap. Use as water replacement, however, not a fat or oil since I can not find the sap value anywhere. I used 1/3 water with lye, 1/3 GM concentrate into the oils after adding lye water, and 1/3 avocado puree added the same time as the GM in that soap. Too much inhibits lather, and for the batch it made the perfect amount being 1/3 the water. I may experiment when they go cheap and try 50/50 water to puree, but probably not too much more as a water addition. I added lemon juice to the puree and froze. it remained bright green throughout the process, and a month or so after freezing when I went to use it again.
From www dot avocadosource dot com
pdf doc- requejolc1999 dot pdf

Avocados:

The usual shorthand nomenclature for fatty acids shows two numbers; the length of the chain and the number of double bonds. For example, “18:2” denotes a fatty acid of 18 carbon chain length and 2 double bonds eg linoleic acid. Similarly, a saturated fatty acid, such as palmitic acid will be shown as “16:0”. Usually saturated (S) fatty acids are found in foods of animal origin while monounsaturated (M) and polyunsaturated (P) fatty acids are mostly found in foods of plant origin.
Triacylglycerols may contain a wide variety of fatty acids, although only five or six are usually present in significant amounts in avocado fruit. These are the saturated fatty acids palmitic acid (16:0) and stearic acid (18: 0), the monounsaturated fatty acids oleic acid (18:1) and palmitoleic acid (16:1) and the polyunsaturated fatty acids linoleic acid (18:2) and linolenic acid (18:3). Oleic acid is the predominant fatty acid, representing close to 60% of the total lipids (Mazliak, 1965a; Kikuta and Erickson, 1968; Luza et al., 1990). In general, the combination of fatty acids in the triacylglycerol fraction determine the physical and nutritional characteristics of the lipid. To date the changes in fatty acid makeup have not been studied in New Zealand since most maturity studies have concentrated on total lipid content.

There's this great chart further down the pdf that's showing the average of each fatty acid during the harvest months of September through April.
It states an average of
60% oleic
20% palmitic
15% linoleic
5% plametoleic
And nominally linolenic

Now the avocado oil has Per naturesgardencandles dot com on their document titled sapoils dot pdf
53% oleic
21% palmitic
6% lenoleic
2% lenolenic
10% stearic
And that's it. This is the avg of all the sites except
Www dot essential oils dot co dot za/avocado-analysis dot htm
They have a totally off range that DOES include palmetoleic whereas no one else includes this fatty acid. It is the predominant fatty acid in macadamia nut oil and is supposedly an awesome component for many reasons. Haven't researched enough as of yet, but I have read it's creamy and we'll absorbed and excellent for aging skin. Now I don't know about all THAT, but it seems an excellent addition.

So to the point lol.

A simple or your regular recipe? Add avocado puree for an awesome addition! Want a luxurious expensively awesome soap for awesome people? Use avocado oil hehe. Avocado butter, meh. Don't know much but after all the additional things in it others have said are involved, I am not too impressed with it. I'd rather use cocoa or shea as a butter personally.

Oh, and remember...Avocado puree is 70-80, but averages 74% water. So it's much better as a water addition and adds a small amount of palmetoleic acid the oil may not.

Been trying to type this all afternoon....sorry. football and all :twisted:

 

[cmzaha]

I used the puree.
It saponifies as it is high in fat. It is the best choice, in my opinion *depending*. It made a wonderful soft creamy soap. Use as water replacement, however, not a fat or oil since I can not find the sap value anywhere. I used 1/3 water with lye, 1/3 GM concentrate into the oils after adding lye water, and 1/3 avocado puree added the same time as the GM in that soap. Too much inhibits lather, and for the batch it made the perfect amount being 1/3 the water. I may experiment when they go cheap and try 50/50 water to puree, but probably not too much more as a water addition. I added lemon juice to the puree and froze. it remained bright green throughout the process, and a month or so after freezing when I went to use it again.
From www dot avocadosource dot com
pdf doc- requejolc1999 dot pdf

Avocados:

The usual shorthand nomenclature for fatty acids shows two numbers; the length of the chain and the number of double bonds. For example, “18:2” denotes a fatty acid of 18 carbon chain length and 2 double bonds eg linoleic acid. Similarly, a saturated fatty acid, such as palmitic acid will be shown as “16:0”. Usually saturated (S) fatty acids are found in foods of animal origin while monounsaturated (M) and polyunsaturated (P) fatty acids are mostly found in foods of plant origin.
Triacylglycerols may contain a wide variety of fatty acids, although only five or six are usually present in significant amounts in avocado fruit. These are the saturated fatty acids palmitic acid (16:0) and stearic acid (18: 0), the monounsaturated fatty acids oleic acid (18:1) and palmitoleic acid (16:1) and the polyunsaturated fatty acids linoleic acid (18:2) and linolenic acid (18:3). Oleic acid is the predominant fatty acid, representing close to 60% of the total lipids (Mazliak, 1965a; Kikuta and Erickson, 1968; Luza et al., 1990). In general, the combination of fatty acids in the triacylglycerol fraction determine the physical and nutritional characteristics of the lipid. To date the changes in fatty acid makeup have not been studied in New Zealand since most maturity studies have concentrated on total lipid content.

There's this great chart further down the pdf that's showing the average of each fatty acid during the harvest months of September through April.
It states an average of
60% oleic
20% palmitic
15% linoleic
5% plametoleic
And nominally linolenic

Now the avocado oil has Per naturesgardencandles dot com on their document titled sapoils dot pdf
53% oleic
21% palmitic
6% lenoleic
2% lenolenic
10% stearic
And that's it. This is the avg of all the sites except
Www dot essential oils dot co dot za/avocado-analysis dot htm
They have a totally off range that DOES include palmetoleic whereas no one else includes this fatty acid. It is the predominant fatty acid in macadamia nut oil and is supposedly an awesome component for many reasons. Haven't researched enough as of yet, but I have read it's creamy and we'll absorbed and excellent for aging skin. Now I don't know about all THAT, but it seems an excellent addition.

So to the point lol.

A simple or your regular recipe? Add avocado puree for an awesome addition! Want a luxurious expensively awesome soap for awesome people? Use avocado oil hehe. Avocado butter, meh. Don't know much but after all the additional things in it others have said are involved, I am not too impressed with it. I'd rather use cocoa or shea as a butter personally.

Oh, and remember...Avocado puree is 70-80, but averages 74% water. So it's much better as a water addition and adds a small amount of palmetoleic acid the oil may not.

Been trying to type this all afternoon....sorry. football and all :twisted:

Not all avocados are high in fat which is why I use them as liquid replacement and I use avocado oil for the fat. There are many varieties of avocados. I love making avocado soap with avocado puree and avocado oil

 

[TeresaT]

This is an old post, I know, but since y'all are still regulars here, I want to say thanks for the info. This is exactly what I was looking for today. I'm finally going to "waste a perfectly good avocado" to use it for soap. I bought four on sale and will sacrifice one to test this avocado soap y'all are always talking about. Getting out the food processor now and weighing the three remaining avocados. (Yes, that fourth was delish!!) The smallest will be the sacrifice. (And the rest will have huge pits with no pulp when I cut them. Because that's my life!)

 

[cmzaha]

This is an old post, I know, but since y'all are still regulars here, I want to say thanks for the info. This is exactly what I was looking for today. I'm finally going to "waste a perfectly good avocado" to use it for soap. I bought four on sale and will sacrifice one to test this avocado soap y'all are always talking about. Getting out the food processor now and weighing the three remaining avocados. (Yes, that fourth was delish!!) The smallest will be the sacrifice. (And the rest will have huge pits with no pulp when I cut them. Because that's my life!)

Are you using 3 for the soap? You certainly can but even one is nice in soap. If you have a restaurant supply you can usually buy frozen avocado puree, which can be treated like gm. Just slowly add lye to the frozen puree and use
50-100% puree for your lye. I can imagine it is probably hard for you to sacrifice avocados to soap, I on the other hand live in avocado heaven

 

[Arimara]

This is an old post, I know, but since y'all are still regulars here, I want to say thanks for the info. This is exactly what I was looking for today. I'm finally going to "waste a perfectly good avocado" to use it for soap. I bought four on sale and will sacrifice one to test this avocado soap y'all are always talking about. Getting out the food processor now and weighing the three remaining avocados. (Yes, that fourth was delish!!) The smallest will be the sacrifice. (And the rest will have huge pits with no pulp when I cut them. Because that's my life!)

I commend you. I don't think I could do that. I would get pummeled by the cries of my avocado addict of a child. She really loves her guacamole. Takes some pics for me! :mrgreen:

 

[TeresaT]

Are you using 3 for the soap? You certainly can but even one is nice in soap. If you have a restaurant supply you can usually buy frozen avocado puree, which can be treated like gm. Just slowly add lye to the frozen puree and use
50-100% puree for your lye. I can imagine it is probably hard for you to sacrifice avocados to soap, I on the other hand live in avocado heaven

No, but I had to puree all three, though, because trying to puree only one left me with massive lumps. I'm only using 69 grams in my recipe (I'm making a 500 gram test batch). I just made a 50% lye solution so I'll use that and my avocado puree as the extra water. I'm going to shower and get dressed in a bit then go to the store and buy some lunch meat: London broil & horseradish cheddar then use my pureed avocado as the condiment instead of mayo or mustard. YUM!!

I was right about the smallest avocado vs the other two. The smallest was 168 grams (I forget what the other two were) and I cut that one. The pit was about the size of a grape. SERIOUSLY!! When I pureed it and saw it was just chunky, I got out the other two and decided "guacamole!" I cut them and they had normal sized pits. I laughed. The smallest one was all fruit and the largest one was mostly pit. That is so much the story of my life!!

I'll try the frozen stuff from the grocery store. (If I like the way this turns out.) Somehow using frozen puree doesn't seem like blasphemy so much as fresh...

 

[TeresaT]

I commend you. I don't think I could do that. I would get pummeled by the cries of my avocado addict of a child. She really loves her guacamole. Takes some pics for me! :mrgreen:

The ONLY reason is because they were on sale for .68 each. And I'm only using 69 grams of puree, that leaves a lot left over for guacamole and sandwiches. :smile:

But, I still can't believe I'm wasting a perfectly good avocado to make soap. This really is an addiction. I. Must. Seek. Help. Or not...

 

[penelopejane]

I'll try the frozen stuff from the grocery store. (If I like the way this turns out.) Somehow using frozen puree doesn't seem like blasphemy so much as fresh...

Can't wait to see the pictures of your soap!

I don't know if this is at all relevant to avocado in soap because I haven't tried it but my pumpkin and carrot soap was a darker colour and stayed that colour longer when I used the purée straight away. For one soap I left the purée in the fridge overnight and the colour wasn't as good and has started to fade around the edges a bit. My pumpkin soaps are only a month old so this may not be relevant as they all may fade eventually. [emoji24]

Very best of luck can't wait to hear how it goes. I really like Avocado oil in soap.

 

[Arimara]

The ONLY reason is because they were on sale for .68 each. And I'm only using 69 grams of puree, that leaves a lot left over for guacamole and sandwiches. :smile:

But, I still can't believe I'm wasting a perfectly good avocado to make soap. This really is an addiction. I. Must. Seek. Help. Or not...

Can't say it's a waste if it's a soap. It's a small portion of avocado that is being donated to sate your soapy curiosity. Hail the little bit of avocado as a hero of hero ingredients... I watch too many cartoons.

Can't wait to see the pictures of your soap!

I don't know if this is at all relevant to avocado in soap because I haven't tried it but my pumpkin and carrot soap was a darker colour and stayed that colour longer when I used the purée straight away. For one soap I left the purée in the fridge overnight and the colour wasn't as good and has started to fade around the edges a bit. My pumpkin soaps are only a month old so this may not be relevant as they all may fade eventually. [emoji24]

Very best of luck can't wait to hear how it goes. I really like Avocado oil in soap.

It's useful info to me. Just keep an eye on the batches coloring over the next year or so.

 

[TeresaT]

I made it a few hours ago and it kind of turned brown. I'm hoping that once it cures it will be more greenish looking. But, Arimara, you are right, it is such a small sacrifice to make. Minuscule, in fact, that it is hardly noticeable in my avocado eating world. Speaking of eating avocados...

 

[Dahila]

wow and I thought I am the weird one to eat an avocado a day ) I love also avocado oil in every ting: BButters, creams lotions, and of course in my garden salad Cmzaha thanks for info I would love to try avocado puree beside the oil . My next project