100% coconut olive soap for deep cleansing

[lukelee]

I am thinking to make a 100% coconut oil soap with 8% olive oil super fat for people who have very oily skin, however, some soap maker told me never use 100% coconut oil, because it will make skin very very dry.

What do you guys think?

 

[Dorado]

Made a 100% CO with Coconutmilk, SF 20%, 10 weeks ago, a little bit drying.
Just made a 80% CO + 20% EVOO with Coconutmilk, SF 25%. Hope this one is non drying, but I won't know, until it has cured

 

[melstan775]

100% olive oil is very gentle and takes months to cure. I think you mean the coconut is what is drying. As far as superfatting, the lue is indescriminate and it may be up saponifying all your olive oil and leave some coconut out.

 

[misskat22]

Is it just me or does adding OO to CO make it no longer 100% coconut?

 

[DeeAnna]

There are some theories out there that harsh cleansing is not any better for oily skin than for dry skin. The point is to clean "enough" without stripping ALL of the oils from the skin. I would think a soap very high in CO as you propose would probably be harsh and irritating without a very high superfat. And for people with oily skin, a high superfat might be counterproductive -- too conditioning. Others with more experience on this issue will hopefully chime in.

And Melstan is right -- the soapmaker don't get to choose the oils in the "superfat" -- the lye does. The extra fats left in the soap will be a blend from both the coconut and the olive. --DeeAnna

 

[Loolee]

It seems to me that you are, with the OO superfat, trying to replace the oils that the bar of soap strips off your skin. So why not just lower the cleansing to about 21, and leave a little bit of the natural oils on the skin.

 

[jcandleattic]

I am thinking to make a 100% coconut oil soap with 8% olive oil super fat for people who have very oily skin, however, some soap maker told me never use 100% coconut oil, because it will make skin very very dry.

What do you guys think?

I have oily skin and my Mariner's bars (100% CO) with a 15% SF are very nice on my skin once they have a full cure of 14-16 weeks. (yes, up to 4 months!)
Also, the salt bars I make are also very nice and the only difference between my salt bars and my mariner's bars is the salt. They are both made with 100% CO with a 15% SF cured for 14-16 weeks.

 

[sapone]

I would be concerned about the amount of coconut oil- too much drying will be counterproductive to oily skin. The more the skin is stripped, i.e. dried the more oil/sebum the skin will want to produce in an attempt to re-moisturize the skin.

 

[jcandleattic]

I would be concerned about the amount of coconut oil- too much drying will be counterproductive to oily skin. The more the skin is stripped, i.e. dried the more oil/sebum the skin will want to produce in an attempt to re-moisturize the skin.

I've never had that problem, but then again, my bars have a sf and are balanced and aren't stripping, so there's that.

 

[christinak]

100% olive oil is very gentle and takes months to cure. I think you mean the coconut is what is drying. As far as superfatting, the lue is indescriminate and it may be up saponifying all your olive oil and leave some coconut out.

I once read something about saving your expensive/rare oils for superfatting. I think they added them at a different time in the process so they didn't incorporate or something...sorry I can't remember but I know I read that! lol...I swear Im not losing my mind (totally).

 

[christinak]

Lukelee: I have really oily skin, everything I would touch would leave a fingerprint...even right after I washed my hands! Since I started using my own soap, that problem is history. My soaps almost all have 20-30% CO in them. For the first couple of weeks, I was worried because it felt like my hands were getting really, really dry...especially my knuckles. After my skin got used to the real soap and not the supermarket crap, everything balanced out. Now they are great and soft and not oily. I'll tell you though, any more CO than that and I think it would be really harsh. In my opinion, 30% is pushing it with the CO.

 

[misskat22]

I once read something about saving your expensive/rare oils for superfatting. I think they added them at a different time in the process so they didn't incorporate or something...sorry I can't remember but I know I read that! lol...I swear Im not losing my mind (totally).

I've heard of people doing this, (adding superfatting oils at trace) but I've been told by many people that it doesn't matter when you add your superfatting oils because the lye is still active so it will take whatever oils it wants, there's no guarantee that the expensive oil you want to superfat with is the oil that will be left when the bar finishes saponification.

 

[DeeAnna]

From a human's perspective it seems reasonable to "superfat" a CP soap with a particular oil at trace, but the chemistry says otherwise. The lye-fat reaction is just getting started at the time of trace. If you add your superfat at trace, you are only preventing the lye from reacting with the superfat for only a small percentage of the total reaction time.

So add all the oils at the beginning ... or add them at trace ... whatever makes ya feel good. The lye will react with whatever oils it will react with, pretty much regardless of your method. If you really want to control the superfat, make HP soap and superfat after saponification is over. Or rebatch.