Safflower and sunflower oils??
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Genny
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Both are prone to dos when used in high amounts. They would also make for very soft soap if used in large amounts. If you're looking for a good alternative to olive, I'd suggest Rice Bran Oil.
If you want to use safflower & sunflower, I wouldn't go above 30% with them.
If you want to use safflower & sunflower, I wouldn't go above 30% with them.
judymoody
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I have used the high oleic kind at 20% of my recipe and it makes nice soap.
These single oil test results might be of interest to you: http://www.zensoaps.com/singleoil.htm
These single oil test results might be of interest to you: http://www.zensoaps.com/singleoil.htm
Kansas Farm Girl
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I have used quite a bit of sunflower oil, but I do keep the % low, it does seem to add a very nice conditioning quality to my soap.
I've used both safflower and sunflower in batches and I really like them. I do keep them normally at 10% or less. I've switched to using high oleic sunflower which is more stable than regular sunflower. I wouldn't be concerned about using it at a higher percentage but not too high - it doesn't help with hardness. (BTW, it's wonderful in liquid soap and I did use it at 65% in the batch.)
You can find high oleic safflower and high oleic sunflower at Soapers Choice. It might be slightly more expensive than buying the regular oils in a grocery depending on how far away you are from Illinois. Also, the smallest size they have is 7 pounds. If you'd like to try HO sunflower, Majestic Mountain Sage has it in 16 oz containers.
eta: Correction - I used the HO sunflower at 55% in my LS recipe.
You can find high oleic safflower and high oleic sunflower at Soapers Choice. It might be slightly more expensive than buying the regular oils in a grocery depending on how far away you are from Illinois. Also, the smallest size they have is 7 pounds. If you'd like to try HO sunflower, Majestic Mountain Sage has it in 16 oz containers.
eta: Correction - I used the HO sunflower at 55% in my LS recipe.
judymoody
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You can also get high oleic at the grocery store. The Louanna brand at Walmart, for example. The way you can tell is that the monounsaturated fat number will be higher than the polyunsaturated fat.
Genny
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judymoody said:
I didn't know that. Why didn't I know that? LOL
green soap
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Another way to determine how much of these unsaturated oils to use is to enter the whole recipe in soapcalc.net. Look at the total fatty acid compositions, add the linoleic plus twice the linolenic (the last two fatty acids). I do twice the linolenic, since linolenic fatty acid is triply unsaturated and linoleic is doubly unsaturated. The rule of thumb is that this number should be less than 15. So you can 'get away with' some polyunsaturated oils (safflower, sunflower, soy, etc) and will not get untimely DOS. Polyunsaturates will give the benefit of a more conditioning soap. Soapcal.net will help you determine what percentage this will be for each oil that you choose to use.
Genny said:
I didn't know it, either. Thanks for the great tip!
I can only find the high oleic types of oil at my supermarkets. Three years ago, the stores only carried the high linoleic oils which I'd use around 5%. High oleic I've used from 15 - 20 at most.
Green Soap, I've also heard of the "15% rule" for the L fatty acids. Just curious, do you use castor in your recipe? And if so, how would you adjust your linoleic and linolneic numbers? I like the L fatty acids for my aging skin, but castor for the bubbles! Too much of all three will give me mush.
Green Soap, I've also heard of the "15% rule" for the L fatty acids. Just curious, do you use castor in your recipe? And if so, how would you adjust your linoleic and linolneic numbers? I like the L fatty acids for my aging skin, but castor for the bubbles! Too much of all three will give me mush.
green soap
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heyjude said:I can only find the high oleic types of oil at my supermarkets. Three years ago, the stores only carried the high linoleic oils which I'd use around 5%. High oleic I've used from 15 - 20 at most.
Green Soap, I've also heard of the "15% rule" for the L fatty acids. Just curious, do you use castor in your recipe? And if so, how would you adjust your linoleic and linolneic numbers? I like the L fatty acids for my aging skin, but castor for the bubbles! Too much of all three will give me mush.
Jude, I only use castor oil in my shaving soap recipe. I have several recipes, depending on the intended use of the soap. For the shaving soap, the % of saturated fatty acids is so high that it is not an issue. The linoleic is super low and linolenic zero.
judymoody
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I use castor at 5% in my base recipe and the linoleic/linolenic combined is comfortably under 15. Castor is high in ricinoleic acid so it's not really a factor.
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