Deodorant Help

[LisaBoBisa]

I tried the crystal deo and it didn’t work for me. Not only did it leave my pits stinky, the crystal started smelling the same.

SAME HERE. I started making my own deodorant because nothing I bought worked for me. I sweat like crazy and am allergic to everything!

 

[nframe]

I think it would work as a stick, unless it got quite warmer. We use a finger to apply it, though. If you up the ca in exchange for some babassu, it should make it harder if needed

Thank you. I use ewax in mine. Why do you use polysorbate 80 though?

 

[cmzaha]

This is my ingredient list, but sorry I am not posting all the percentages. It took me a few years to work it all out. I will post the main two percentages.
Babassu Oil 40%
Magnesium hydroxide 30.4% (sifted into oils)
BTMS 25 do not overheat
Carnauba Wax, Sunflower Wax, Candelilla Wax, etc.
Cetyl Alcohol
Zinc Ricinoleate
Illipe Butter
Zinc Oxide (sifted) (1%)
Fragrance 0.5-1%

I left a few hints. I still have customers call me and order up to 10 tubes so they are stocked up until I get moved and start making my deo again. I do have to tweak this a bit for winter and summer.

 

[cmzaha]

Carolyn, you know I love your deodorant recipe better than all the others I've tried. It doesn't stain and works very well to control odor. The tube recipes that I've tried are pretty similar to yours.

The recipe I suggested above is quite different because @The Efficacious Gentleman is trying to dupe a paste recipe that his wife likes. It worked ok for me, but I dislike pastes due to having to clean my fingers after applying. But I wanted to offer that so he could get some ideas of percentages.

If TEG wanted to use your suggested ingredients in a paste-type formula, would you recommend that he leave out the wax, maybe the cetyl?

I would probably try leaving out the carnauba wax to start with. The Babassu and MH could also be upped in percentage. I find the MH softens the mix, and as we know it is part of the active ingredients along with the Zinc Ricinoleate. Side note: I found the Zinc Ricinoleate made a big difference in the performance of the deo sticks.

I did forget to mention I put the ingredient list in order if anyone wants to reverse engineer it, but I do ask please do not share it out of this forum if you figure it out. I am thinking about writing an e-book with some of my recipes when I am settled next year.

 

[Gaisy59]

Wow i just keep it simple…60% magnesium, 38% babassu, 2% cera bellina wax. Mine does not have fragrance but if i do want to add fragrance i will just adjust the babassu. The cera bellina was at 2% works very well in my deodorant roll up stick. I never could understand why anyone would want to add all the extra ingredients. I still have to test this summer to see how well that holds up to sitting in a hot car in the sun to see if it melts.

 

[cmzaha]

Wow i just keep it simple…60% magnesium, 38% babassu, 2% cera bellina wax. Mine does not have fragrance but if i do want to add fragrance i will just adjust the babassu. The cera bellina was at 2% works very well in my deodorant roll up stick. I never could understand why anyone would want to add all the extra ingredients. I still have to test this summer to see how well that holds up to sitting in a hot car in the sun to see if it melts.

It took me a few years to work out what would work and hold up fairly well in a market. I found beeswax ie cera bellina became sticky and could stain hence my use of other waxes. I still had to keep my deo sticks in a cooler during the summer at markets. The BTMS25 emulsifier was used so the deo would wash off easier. Zinc Oxide helps with Odor, Zinc Ricinoleate really helps odor, a little Illipe butter helps with glide, and the Cetyl Alcohol also helps glide and helps it hold up in the tube. I hope this helps answer some of your questions about why all the ingredients. I sold a very large amount of these to both men and women fragranced and unfragranced.

 

[AliOop]

It took me a few years to work out what would work and hold up fairly well in a market. I found beeswax ie cera bellina became sticky and could stain hence my use of other waxes. I still had to keep my deo sticks in a cooler during the summer at markets. The BTMS25 emulsifier was used so the deo would wash off easier. Zinc Oxide helps with Odor, Zinc Ricinoleate really helps odor, a little Illipe butter helps with glide, and the Cetyl Alcohol also helps glide and helps it hold up in the tube. I hope this helps answer some of your questions about why all the ingredients. I sold a very large amount of these to both men and women fragranced and unfragranced.

And I can testify, Carolyn’s deo is awesome. It’s all I’ve used for over a year now, and we are very happy with it.

 

[cmzaha]

And I can testify, Carolyn’s deo is awesome. It’s all I’ve used for over a year now, and we are very happy with it.

Thank you

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

Thank you. I use ewax in mine. Why do you use polysorbate 80 though?

Because it's the emulsifier that I have here, and having the oil able to bind with the water whilst washing is a good idea, in case some of it is on the clothes

 

[Gaisy59]

But I don’t have any staining and i admit the glide isn’t totally smooth but there is still no odor without all those ingredients. I have no doubt Carolyn’s deo is excellent but I personally would prefer simplicity. Just sayin is all.

 

[AliOop]

That's the main thing is that it works for you, @Gaisy59. I personally can't stand deo that doesn't glide easily, so for me, the extra ingredients are a must. That's the beauty of DIY - we all get to decide which pieces are important to us, and to make something that fits.

 

[nframe]

Because it's the emulsifier that I have here, and having the oil able to bind with the water whilst washing is a good idea, in case some of it is on the clothes

Thank you.

 

[tonih]

Hello. I'm new here and so glad I found this site and THIS thread! I've been wanting to add deodorant and body powder to my line for a while now and am ready to start testing. I knew the ingredients I wanted to use but was struggling with what percentages to start with. Reading through the thread (and the various links) has helped me tremendously.

 

[Katmm]

Coconut Oil will stain white shirts, Babassu does not. Just a little FYI

I use Babassu at 42% and Magnesium Hydroxide at 30.3% 2% zinc ricinoleate, small percentage of illipe butter, varying amounts of carnauba wax dependent on winter or summer, BTMS25 and Cetyl Alcohol, and 1.6% sifted twice nano zinc oxide. Sorry not quite ready to give up my recipe completely since I do still sell my deodorants.

I don't feel comfortable using Babassu (for ecological reasons). Is there an suggested alternative?

 

[Gaisy59]

I don't feel comfortable using Babassu (for ecological reasons). Is there an suggested alternative?

It is a nut and the tree does not get destroyed. Why are you not comfortable with this?

 

[Katmm]

I've been experimenting on my own natural deo formula, one in particular turned out perfect in a 20z sample size. Smooth consistency, glides well, nice even off-white color that goes on clear, and works for days without reapplication.
So I increased my recipe to 9 ounces and my sticks came out discolored (mottled grey spots, cracking)...

Why?

coconut oil
shea butter
arrowroot powder
mag hydroxide
cetyl alcohol
sunflower wax
vitamin E oil
tea tree oil
lavender essential oil

 

[Katmm]

It is a nut and the tree does not get destroyed. Why are you not comfortable with this?

The trees may not get destroyed but the surrounding environment surely does. Trucks, farmers, traffic, and processing causes damage. No one should be comfortable with it. I'm searching for sustainable ingredients. Unless the tree has been re-established and growing here. I'll do more research. Do you know of alternatives?

 

[Gaisy59]

The trees may not get destroyed but the surrounding environment surely does. Trucks, farmers, traffic, and processing causes damage. No one should be comfortable with it. I'm searching for sustainable ingredients. Unless the tree has been re-established and growing here. I'll do more research. Do you know of alternatives?

Not sure about the discolouration. I use same ingredients except for shae butter and sunflower wax so maybe those are the culprits? You use coconut oil which is also a nut and must be harvested and processed. I am not sure where the difference lies.

 

[Katmm]

Not sure about the discolouration. I use same ingredients except for shae butter and sunflower wax so maybe those are the culprits? You use coconut oil which is also a nut and must be harvested and processed. I am not sure where the difference lies.

I've been experienting, but coconut trees are mainly grown in Asia and the Pacific. Coconut Trees aren't associated with deforestation. I stay away from sourcing in unsustainable habitats. Not to say, I'm not a fan in using Coconut Oil due to the possible yellowing stains. I need to find ingredients that are non-staining.

I used the same exact ingredients for my 2oz. sample which had no discoloration. Pale yellow, smooth. Very strange. In fact, all of my samples of all kinds of ingredients and I've never had a blotched discoloration in my deo's. I've googled and can't find the reason anywhere.

 

[Gaisy59]

I've been experienting, but coconut trees are mainly grown in Asia and the Pacific. Coconut Trees aren't associated with deforestation. I stay away from sourcing in unsustainable habitats. Not to say, I'm not a fan in using Coconut Oil due to the possible yellowing stains. I need to find ingredients that are non-staining.

I used the same exact ingredients for my 2oz. sample which had no discoloration. Pale yellow, smooth. Very strange. In fact, all of my samples of all kinds of ingredients and I've never had a blotched discoloration in my deo's. I've googled and can't find the reason anywhere.

Hopefully one of the more experienced ladies will chime in for you at aome point. I have the opposite problem in that my deo is too white