I have Vitamin E MT-50 kicking around that I ordered back in August and can't remember why! Just looked up it's usage rate from the supplier. It could have been for lotions or lip balms but I haven't even cracked the seal. So no harm in trying it, at least it will get some use. ROE I use all the time, so no issues with it's usage. Thanks for the response.I take this Vitamin E 1000 IU daily to offset Colorado's Alpine Desert Climate. For soaping, I prick and squirt the contents of 1-2 softgel capsules PPO into warmed oils before adding the lye solution. (Highly technical, I know) For ROE, use the manufacturer's recommended amount. It doesn't take much.
Zany's no slime castile
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I reckon it wouldn't hurt to make a thread on the topic of bacon, @dxw
....We could have a virtual convention, for comparing biodegradeable alternatives.
Biodegradable Alternatives Convention (BA-CON
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Zany_in_CO
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@dxw : If it isn't too much trouble, and if you can edit in the next 24 hours, please move your post to start a new topic. TIA
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You too, Figgy. Pretty please? Exactly what I was hoping to prevent.
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You too, Figgy. Pretty please?
Exactly what I was hoping to prevent.
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dxw
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... please move your post to start a new topic. TIA
Ahhh yes, understood. Simple recipe thread getting hijacked onto 'issues'. Sorry. I have reposted and 'deleted' my post here.
Zany_in_CO
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On the weights and measurement side topic:
I noticed that there were quite a few replies to this already, so I'll be brief .. I am always glad that I live in Australia, when it comes to weights and measurements, it makes maths in general very simple, and weights and measurements doubly so
On the EDTA sidetopic:
When I read first read your post, and dxw replied to it, it was much longer. You described how you, when you first started soaping in 2004, chose not to use EDTA after reading that it was "mildly toxic". You went on to comment that this forum was the only one where you'd seen it used.
Obviously I'm paraphrasing, as the original text has been removed (but I do distinctly remember the year, the reason and your comment on this forum).
I thought dxw's reply to your post was interesting and complimentary, and warranted further discussion, but on another thread, hence my lighthearted suggestion for that other thread (partially quoted by you, above). I see that after quoting me, you edited your original post to remove your reasons and discussion points, and replace the paragraph with a simple statement that you don't use EDTA. Fair enough (I don't either).
While I understand you want to change your mind, and not discuss this particular side topic any further, your original post gave no indication that you didn't want it discussed further. As it stands, I don't feel comfortable complying with your "request" to modify my contribution to your side-discussion, however I will respect your wishes and not refer to it again on this thread (unless you choose to do so yourself first, of course).
On the recipe (main) topic:
Zany, I notice that you are using pomace olive oil for this recipe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this means that you are using solvent extracted olive oil?
The reason for this question is that I have a theory that Kiwi (and Australians) are getting a bit of extra ash at the periphery of the soap because of the difference in our olive oils.
I am thinking that there might need to be an adjustment to the lye concentration, for our EVOO soaps using your recipe. If you've already explored this, please let us know your results.
Otherwise, especially for our NZ/Aussie EVOO soapers who are experiencing ash with Zany's recipe, I suspect that we may need to use a little less water than Zany has found ideal for her choice. The increase in lye concentration should slow down the transfer of salts to the outer edges of the soap (which can carry salts and create a dusting of "ash"), and with the difference in oils, I doubt we will experience quite the same hardness that Zany noticed with her oil choice.
In other words, using different grade of olive oil may require a minor adjustment to the lye ratio Zany has found ideal.
Zany, I hope that provided an agreeable on-topic addition to your recipe contribution. Send me a PM if you would like anything changed
You're welcome.
I use quart. Given that water by weight is 32 oz. and by volume is 32 fluid oz., if you have a scale like mine that weighs in ounces and grams, make it easy on yourself and weigh out 32 oz, switch the scale to grams if you like, and there you have it.
I couldn't agree more. It's interesting to note that JFK, President John F Kennedy, who was president in the early 60's, said that we would make it to the moon in 10 years and also convert the USA to metric in the same amount of time. We made it to the moon, but not the conversion. Says something about our Yankee spirit, me thinks.
I noticed that there were quite a few replies to this already, so I'll be brief .. I am always glad that I live in Australia, when it comes to weights and measurements, it makes maths in general very simple, and weights and measurements doubly so
On the EDTA sidetopic:
You wrote a brief paragraph about EDTA here.You too, Figgy. Pretty please?
When I read first read your post, and dxw replied to it, it was much longer. You described how you, when you first started soaping in 2004, chose not to use EDTA after reading that it was "mildly toxic". You went on to comment that this forum was the only one where you'd seen it used.
Obviously I'm paraphrasing, as the original text has been removed (but I do distinctly remember the year, the reason and your comment on this forum).
I thought dxw's reply to your post was interesting and complimentary, and warranted further discussion, but on another thread, hence my lighthearted suggestion for that other thread (partially quoted by you, above). I see that after quoting me, you edited your original post to remove your reasons and discussion points, and replace the paragraph with a simple statement that you don't use EDTA. Fair enough (I don't either).
While I understand you want to change your mind, and not discuss this particular side topic any further, your original post gave no indication that you didn't want it discussed further. As it stands, I don't feel comfortable complying with your "request" to modify my contribution to your side-discussion, however I will respect your wishes and not refer to it again on this thread (unless you choose to do so yourself first, of course).
On the recipe (main) topic:
View attachment 34633... NOTE to others: I use pomace OO because it's highest in acidity which makes it better for soap than EVOO which is lowest in acidity (thus, it tastes better!
Zany, I notice that you are using pomace olive oil for this recipe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this means that you are using solvent extracted olive oil?
The reason for this question is that I have a theory that Kiwi (and Australians) are getting a bit of extra ash at the periphery of the soap because of the difference in our olive oils.
I am thinking that there might need to be an adjustment to the lye concentration, for our EVOO soaps using your recipe. If you've already explored this, please let us know your results.
Otherwise, especially for our NZ/Aussie EVOO soapers who are experiencing ash with Zany's recipe, I suspect that we may need to use a little less water than Zany has found ideal for her choice. The increase in lye concentration should slow down the transfer of salts to the outer edges of the soap (which can carry salts and create a dusting of "ash"), and with the difference in oils, I doubt we will experience quite the same hardness that Zany noticed with her oil choice.
In other words, using different grade of olive oil may require a minor adjustment to the lye ratio Zany has found ideal.
Zany, I hope that provided an agreeable on-topic addition to your recipe contribution. Send me a PM if you would like anything changed
dxw
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I made a batch of Zany's faux-faux-seawater castile soap - I used actual seawater.
It feels lovely and handles well, and is entirely well behaved so far. I also took the opportunity to use a gift-mould from my son
Time will tell re soapiness behaviours I guess.
It feels lovely and handles well, and is entirely well behaved so far. I also took the opportunity to use a gift-mould from my son
Time will tell re soapiness behaviours I guess.
dxw
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Yeah, it looks quite carefully shadowed and accented. well done.
Faded blue jeans ... the ash and colour are perfect together Kiwi!
Thanks Fig! Actually, maybe I should make another batch the same and call it Faded Blue jeans, and use the Clean Linen FO? Knowing my luck it won't turn blue next time, lol.
That sounds like a perfect match!
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What is ROE and EDTA?
atiz
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ROE = rosemary oleoresin, extracted from rosemary and used as a natural preservative for oils.
EDTA = ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (if I copied the word from wikipedia right!), also used as a stabilizer (and a bunch of other uses, apparently).
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@Zany_in_CO I also made your recipe just this morning. Also uncolored and unscented, this is the first 100% OO soap for me. I've tinkered with bastille. It is just beautiful, as Misschief said. Mine is still in the oven but I've checked it several times and it is doing great. Can't wait to unmold in the morning. Thank you so much.
@Zany_in_CO I also made your recipe just this morning. Also uncolored and unscented, this is the first 100% OO soap for me. I've tinkered with bastille. It is just beautiful, as Misschief said. Mine is still in the oven but I've checked it several times and it is doing great. Can't wait to unmold in the morning. Thank you so much.
@Zany_in_CO, I made a small batch of each recipe you shared. I kept them both uncoloured or fragranced. Now the wait, I am not always patient.
@SaltedFig I used EVOO and I didn't get any ash on my bars. They are crazy hard at only a few days old, lather really well too. I have to say, I'm impressed with these castile bars.
I doubt I will like castile any better though as I generally find it drying but I do plan on using the faux sea water with my regular recipe to see if it changes the lather.
I doubt I will like castile any better though as I generally find it drying but I do plan on using the faux sea water with my regular recipe to see if it changes the lather.
@Obisidian yes, that's why I mentioned it was for Kiwi's and Aussies - our EVOO olive oil specifically. There's something different going on between the olive oils in our two countries (they don't seem to work quite the same in soap) - thanks for mentioning this tho - your comment does suggest that it might not be pomace dependant, but the oil itself (in general). I wonder if there's any other Aussie's/Kiwi's trying this? I've seen a few "local" soaps that have ashed up like Kiwi's (pretty as it is - I rather like the effect!).
I managed to make a really "good" slimey castile last year (accidentely, but worth it for what I learned) ... NOW I get why you all don't like the slime!
I hope you post the results of the Zany water soaps from your regular recipe trials - I'd be interested to hear how it goes!
I managed to make a really "good" slimey castile last year (accidentely, but worth it for what I learned) ... NOW I get why you all don't like the slime!
I hope you post the results of the Zany water soaps from your regular recipe trials
- I'd be interested to hear how it goes!CindyJ
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Would you mind sharing your recipe?
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