@midnightsoaper - I just wanted to say thank you SO MUCH for recommending the Nurture Mold - i absolutely love it - i am going back for more. I find that my soap pops out easily even without lining. I love the durability of it and the fact that it is strong enough on its own to not need a wooden frame around it. Do you have larger molds of this same type of silicone from them? Are they also capable of holding their shape on their own? Thank you again so much for excellent suggestion!I use the 4" silicone mold from Nurture Soap, very much worth it at just $9.