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BlueValkyrie

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Hello :)

I'm a new recruit from Ireland

I've been making salt scrubs and the like for years, and trying to find the perfect products for my difficult psoriasis-covered skin - finally decided to just make my own!

2 batches of CP soap curing in my spare room so far...and thanks to all of the great advice and ideas on this forum, I already have an ever-expanding list of recipes that I want to try! This could get very expensive very quickly....and I don't know what I'm going to do with all of the soap. Hmm... must make more friends to give soap to :wink:

Now, off to plan batch 3 - salt soap I think!
 
Slainte

Hi
Welcome to the Soap Making Forum.
This is truly an international forum and you'll find lots of advice (and most of need that at some point) from very experienced soap makers and make friends at the same time.
:D
 
Thanks you guys :D

1st batch was Anne Watson's All Veggie Grocery Store Soap #1 from the 'Smart Soapmaking' book - olive oil and coconut oil - I think it partial gelled - I can see colour variation and 'rings' in some of the cut bars. (Without this forum I wouldn't even know what partial gelled was!)

Next up was a 100% OO castile which is looking good - i'll see if i can sort some pics later.

I seem to be getting ash too - i put baking parchment on top of the castile, and it was ok, except where that joined the rest of the mold lining.

I also learnt that my baking parchment goes fuzzy and sticks to the edge of soap, so I had to trim it off :roll: Freezer paper is not available here (had never even heard of it before researching soapmaking), so I'll have to figure out alternatives.

Thanks for the welcomes - very much appreciated

:)
 
The first batch I made was also from Anne Watson's book. I don't remember the recipe name but it was the one with CO, OO and shea. My soap also partially gelled and I didn't have any idea what it was. It actually looked kind of neat. I posted a pic and one person even commented on the "swirl" in it.

Some people mentioned they use plastic trash bags to line their molds. It's somethng you could try. Other suggestions are milk cartons - the ones with the "waxy" interior, contact paper, silicone mats or plastic drawers for silverware. I don't know if any of this will help you.
 
Thanks Hazel - I've been saving up milk cartons - hadn't thought of contact paper - good idea :idea:

I was also going to make Anne Watson's recipe with the shea, OO and CO first - until i realised that I had slightly too little shea, and was too nervous to adjust a recipe on my first try at soaping...I have since spent too much money on more oils and butters online though - this really is an addictive passtime!
 
You're welcome. I'm glad to help.

I think it was honor435 who mentioned contact paper. She has lots of good tips. Of course, other people have good tips, too. It's just having the time to read all the posts. It takes a long, long time. :D

You can easily adjust the recipe. It's a nice soap but would never make it again with that large a percentage of shea. How much shea do you have left? Also, what other oils do you have? People here will be happy to help you tweak a recipe if you let them know what you have to use.

And yes - it's very addictive. :lol:
 
Hi Hazel,

Thanks to my online shopping splurge, I now have more shea butter, cocoa butter, avocado butter, avocado oil, palm oil, palm kernal oil - I may have got a little carried away, :oops: but it feels like it makes sense to save on postage when it all has to be shipped from the UK to here.

Also a little rosehip oil, but mostly just to see if it's the same as Trilogy Rosehip oil which i use on my face.

I already had (or can get locally) olive oil, sweet almond oil, coconut oil, castor oil, peanut oil, walnut oil, sunflower oil and various other supermarket oils, and lard but as I have vegan friends who i'd like to gift soap too, I'll stay away from animal products for now.

I want to be sparing with the oils and butters that I can't get locally - especially in case i make a mess of any batches early on before i get the hang of this properly.

I'm thinking my next batch with be a salt bar with 85% coconut oil, 10% castor and 5% shea butter (superfatted at 20% seems to be the advice from all the threads I've found). Oh and of 75% salt, and of course using soap calc to get the lye and water amounts.

Should I stick to something more simple at first? From what I've read it sounds like salt batches don't fail all that often...? I'm just really intrigued by the sound of these bars, and it would give me a chance to try to force gel in the oven, without risking lots of expensive ingredients.

Any thoughts welcomed :)
 
Wow! You have a great selection of oils and butters to play with and I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun, too. In my opinion, buying more to offset the high shipping costs is a perfectly valid reason to stock up on oils and butters. :wink: Seriously...I do it, too.

Disclaimer: Everything I'm writing about is just from what I've experienced and I'm not an expert soapmaker. Everyone has a personal preference on what makes a good soap and I'm just sharing what I've learned through experimenting. An example would be adding sugar to lye water. I think it helps to boost bubbles but other people have said they don't think it makes a difference.

Salt bars are easy and I love them. However, I wouldn't recommend trying to gel one in an oven. They get hard very quickly and you might have a problem. But I could be wrong about that because I'm basing it on how fast mine set up. It's been a long time but I think I had to cut my batches in under two hours. That's why I switched over to using silicone molds with cavities. I didn't have to worry about the soap getting too hard to cut. Also, I've found the salt bars are much nicer with a longer than normal cure time. I now cure mine at least 2 months.

Just a suggestion - you should try a castile batch. I know it takes forever to cure but a year from now you'll be happy you did it. When my first year CP soap anniversary came around, I kicked myself for not making a batch in the beginning. But when I first started, I didn't want to wait to use my soaps and even 4 weeks was too long in my opinion. :lol:

My suggestions:

1. Basic batch that will be cured in 4 weeks
2. Salt bar batch
3. Castile

Your salt bar recipe sounds great. I followed Dagmar's tutorial when I did my first salt bar batch and you might find it useful to read. Of course, you may have already seen it.

http://www.smftutorials.com/how-to-make-salt-soap.html

There are lots of recipes on this forum which you could use or use one as a basis for you own recipe. You said you can get coconut, olive, sweet almond, sunflower and castor locally. You could start out with a recipe of using these to develop a recipe. I would add some palm just to help with hardness. You need to decide what properties you want your soap to have and play with the percentages.

For example, I prefer milder soap with lots of bubbles. Because of this, I use less coconut so I use a higher castor amount to boost bubbles. Plus I add sugar or honey to the lye water unless I'm using beer or wine. The sugars in beer and wine help to increase bubbles.

An example of what I might do

30% OO
25% CO
25% PO
10% Sunflower (or Sweet Almond)
10% Castor

Then I might tweak this a bit and try

32% OO
25% CO
25% PO
10% Sunflower (or Sweet Almond)
8% Castor

Then I might think "Hmm...not quite there. I'll try again." :lol:

32% OO
26% CO
26% PO
8% Sunflower (or Sweet Almond)
8% Castor

If you want to post your recipe on the CP section, more people will see it and can give you advice. I did that when I wasn't sure how a recipe might work and got a lot of help. I don't know what else to suggest but if I think of something else I'll post it later.

BTW, I love avocado oil in soap and I use it in a range from 7%-10%.

HTH
 
Thanks for taking so much time to respond!

Interesting points about the salt bars - I have a couple of silicone muffin trays so I was thinking about using those to make individual bars to avoid the cutting issue. Dagmar's tutorial is great - one of the things that encouraged me towards salt bars :)

As for the oven, i would probably just pre-heat very slightly, and then turn it off once the soap went in. Mostly because that's what some other people seem to do, and because it feels like the batches I've made already have cooled very quickly - even the lye solution etc - I'm guessing because it's not very warm here (even if this is supposed to be summer :roll: ).

Anyway, I think that you're right, and I should play around with some basic recipes for now, and figure out what exactly I want in a soap anyway :) You're right about the cure time for castile - that's why i did a 100% OO batch really early - to cut the wait time before I can use it!

Thanks for all of the suggestions - I really appreciate it! I think i'll head over to soapcalc and see which one i want to try first...
 
Hazel said:
Sorry for telling you things you already knew. :oops:

Hey, no, not at all :) I've been reading loads of threads and tutorials etc, but am VERY aware that I have virtually no practical experience of any of this, and am slowly learning a teeny tiny bit about this new world of soaping.
 
This will teach me to go back and re-read the first post. I even commented on your 2 batches. Doh! :lol:

I haven't done CPOP so I can't tell you anything about it. But if you're going to use silicone muffin trays, then you wouldn't have to worry about the bars getting too hard to cut. I was thinking you were going to use a loaf pan. I'm interested in hearing how it works out for you.

I have the opposite problem. It's been so hot here that I've had some problems. Monday I was trying to do a whipped soap batch and I couldn't keep it cool enough. I had the bowl sitting in ice water and it still wouldn't whip. I gave up and poured (yes, you read this correctly)...I poured the soap into the mold. I had to leave it sit in the mold for several days. It was still kind of soft but I'm hoping it will harden up as it cures.
 
Just realised I never acknowledged your post - sorry!

I went off on a tangent finding out what whipped soap was and forgot that I hadn't posted (so many things to learn about :wink:). How's your batch doing?
 
BlueValkyrie said:
Just realised I never acknowledged your post - sorry!

I went off on a tangent finding out what whipped soap was and forgot that I hadn't posted (so many things to learn about :wink:). How's your batch doing?

That's okay. I didn't even realize. It's very easy to get distracted on this forum. I'll start searching for a particular answer and then I get sidetracked onto a completely different topic.

The whipped soap seems to be fine. It's hardened and now it has to cure. I'll find out in a couple of weeks if it floats. Thanks for asking. If you're interested in making a whipped soap batch, agriffin posted one with instructions. It's very nice and so easy to make. Here's the link if you haven't already seen it. However, Amanda's pretty cupcake pics aren't showing up anymore so the only thing you'll see are my crappy ones. But they're good for a laugh!

http://soapmakingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21172

I tried your suggestion about putting salt bars into a preheated oven. I don't know what I did wrong but they weren't hardening. I left them in much longer than an hour. Also, after suggesting you use a mold with individual cavities, I put both of my batches into loaf pans. :roll:

Oh well, at least I was able to cut them. The first batch was fine but the second batch was kind of crumbly. I'm going to be posting pics of them later in the Photo Gallery.
 
The whole whipped soap thing is fascinating - I don't know that I'm quite ready yet for that though! Looking forward to seeing pics of your batch :)

If it helps, on the salt soap and oven theory, I was basing it on other people's post, in particular a post by IrishLass in this thread: http://soapmakingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12936&

I found her description really helpful, in particular how she describes how the soap hardens and then softens back into gel. I'm pretty busy working this week, so probably won't be able to try for myself until the weekend.
 
Thanks for the link. I don't know how I missed it originally. That is a great description of the process and it describes quite well what happened to my loaves. So, I feel better. I guess I didn't do anything wrong. I just hadn't had this happen before with my other salt batches.
 
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