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Mish the problem with Shaving Soaps is that it takes a really, really long time to learn how to make them so you will really only get hints here and there by those who have spent the time and money developing them.

When I read Vanessa's response to you she is not suggesting you use the search function, (I think) but rather to do some googling to find info as well. But here is the best advice I can give anyone who wants to develop a recipe for a shaving soap. Buy one of the 'big boy' ones like Mitchell's Wool Fat and look at the ingredient list. Look at the order the ingredients are in, then play with developing something. Make really small batches to start out with.

I keep telling people to watch what their stearic levels are and to try and get them to 60, there's a reason for that. I am one who spent a long time developing a recipe, reading everything I could find, looking at ingredient lists until I finally created one that is well accepted by the shaving community. I spent a lot of money developing it and sending it out to testers across North America. Those testers were not friends or relatives because I didn't want a pat on the back, I wanted honest feedback. I had already been working on the formula for a year before I did this and at the point I was ready for testers it was down to fine tuning.

You will find that this forum is extremely helpful, and that includes to newbies, but what most members are looking for from someone who has just joined the forum is that they are doing some of the legwork themselves. At least with something as complex as shaving soap because those recipes are hard won.
 
Hi Guys,

I know this board is from a year ago but from what I understand I need to do a search and try to find what I am looking for before creating a new post. So am copying my post here from the recipe help board... (I was told to make a search... but I am not sure how a search will help with advice on my specific recipe)

"Hi All,

I wanted to start off by saying that before coming to this forum I thought I knew more than I really did. I'm very thankful to have found this online community. I realize for those of you who have been soaping for a while and have been on here for many years, it must be annoying to always have to re-iterate yourselves time and time again seeing over ambitious new soapers trying to jump in the deep end without learning how to completely swim first. I appreciate and value all the of the information, suggestions and feed back I have received here at this forum.

Now for my question...

I've come up with a shaving soap and I wanted to know what you all thought about it.

I've added some notes to my recipe after reading this board.

Olive pomace 45%
Coconut Oil, 76 deg 20%
Palm 20%
Castor 15%

Superfat at 6%

Bentonite Clay 1/2 tablespoon per pound.
(I've read on some of the debate about using this in shaving soaps...)

If it can be drying Perhaps I can add some powdered goats milk to my recipe 1 tablespoon per pound?

Ratio: 34:66 (within range)

Bar Quality: (within range)
Hardness: 33
Cleansing 14
Conditioning 64
Bubbly 27
Creamy 33
Iodine 63
INS 142

Acids:
Lauric - 10
Myristic - 4
Palmitic -17
Oleic - 41
Linoleic - 8
Linolenic - 1

Conditioning, fluffy creamy lather, decent hardness...?"

I've read in this board about stearic acid... why would I need to add that to a shaving soap? Is my recipe ok without it?

P.S. Sorry if I'm a nuisance and not using this board the right way...
I don't want to annoy or piss anyone off... I'm just really stupid when it comes to this on-line community stuff, apparently :-|

I'm really a nice person trying to make friends and become a part of a community... :oops:
 
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I'm really a nice person trying to make friends and become a part of a community... :oops:

Mish, I cannot answer your question about your soap, but I can say that this forum is extremely supportive. While some places might rip your head off for asking something that has been asked, I have found that here everyone is able to help point you in the direction if it has been mentioned. Best wishes on your adventure!
 
Hi Lindy,

That makes sense now... (opse I forgot to add my Steric number which was 3) Clearly not high enough! There would be no way for me to get it to 60 without adding it in... That helps a ton!!! Thank you and your response makes me feel a lot better...

Again, I really don't know the ethics on the board here... I mean it when I say I'm really stupid when it comes to this stuff... Thnx for explaining it to me very simply because I won't figure the ethics of this type of stuff on my own it just needs to be said to me and for that I thank you. I do mean well... and I don't want to come off as an ungrateful jerk or someone who I trying to take the easy path in my soap making... I've also spent tons of money on it but my problem is I dive into things too fast which can be haphazard and counterproductive - hence my reason for coming here... Now back to my experimenting…

P.S. Lindy, how did you pick people to be your testers? Like post a message who wants to test my product send me your address and please give me feedback?

I think I might want to do that as well… I’d like some nonbiased opinions as well.

Right now just about every batch I’m making is different and I keep my notes and print outs in a binder and then go back and write my experience when using the soaps after cure. If it’s good I keep that recipe aside as a “keeper” and if I find it is too drying or gets used up too quickly or is too slimy or what have you I go back and tweak them... (I’ve been at this process for months now)

Perhaps I should send samples out with a card and self addressed stamped envelope so they can mail me feed back…:razz:

Would it be rude if I ask them to just pay for the shipping of the free sample?

Thnx again
 
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Mish, from my (limited) experience, your soap will result in lather that dissipates very quickly.
As other members have said, you need a much higher Stearic Acid number and also from my experience Olive Oil is not a good ingredient for a shaving soap.
I am also trying to formulate a shaving soap and will include tallow, shea (or kokum) butter and raw stearic acid.
 
Mish, for testers I am planning on having friends and family test my soaps for me. I would be wary of having people you do not know trying your soaps unless you have insurance. I think that most of my friends will be honest with me about what works and what doesn't work for them with my soaps. I even got some good feedback on my early MP soaps, so I am looking forward to hearing information about my CP soaps from friends :)
 
Mish, for testers I am planning on having friends and family test my soaps for me. I would be wary of having people you do not know trying your soaps unless you have insurance. I think that most of my friends will be honest with me about what works and what doesn't work for them with my soaps. I even got some good feedback on my early MP soaps, so I am looking forward to hearing information about my CP soaps from friends :)

:oops: I made an assumption that insurance was in place. When I was ready for the finessing of the recipe I went on a shaving forum and asked for testers, I had 10 and I didn't charge for shipping. I also sent only a small sample of each so that it could be sent out in a small padded envelope to keep my costs down. They're helping you which is why I don't charge. Besides, once you have it perfect they may become customers.... ;)
 
As far as the search issue ... use Google, not the SMF search function, and you will get much better results. Here is the general syntax that you should type in the Google search box:

Keyword1 Keyword2 ... site:WebsiteAddress

Translation: The "Keyword1 Keyword2 ..." are the search terms you want to look for. If you want to search for an exact phrase of two or more words, you can put quotes " " around that phrase. And "WebsiteAddress" is the website domain name without the "http://" and "www".

An example:

shaving soap site:soapmakingforum.com

...will look for "shaving" and "soap" on soapmakingforum.com

Another example:

"shaving soap" stearic site:soapmakingforum.com

...will look for the exact phrase "shaving soap" and also "stearic" on soapmakingforum.com

Hope this helps.

--DeeAnna <--former computer science instructor and basic girl geek
 
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Also, if you scroll to the bottom of any thread (below the quick reply box) you will see links to similar threads, which can take you on a daisy chain to pretty much anything on the forum on that particular topic!

When people come to a forum and say "hey, I am too lazy to do any of the research or the work to really learn what I am doing, someone just tell me what I want to know" then sometimes forum members take exception to that.:-x As long as people are reasonably polite and show a willingness to put a little effort into it and genuinely want to learn, most people here are very helpful and welcoming! :)
 
DeeAnna, Thank you for the Google advice. It makes searching for related topics way easier. :)

New12Soap, I certainly do not want to come across as lazy and wanting others to do my work for me. I've looked up several other recipes out there on the web just for some comparisons and when I ran a lot of them through the SoapCalc I found most were way off kilter so I've basically formulated my own recipe with bits and parts of other peoples suggestions and of course I know I will have to do it several more times before I make something I am happy with…

I’ve been doing tons of that lately... In fact my last 7 batches of CP soaps have resulted in 1 recipe that I love and want to keep as a forever repeatable recipe.

I've make some tweaks and I'm about to run with what I got for now and see what the bf thinks. (It’ll also be a good excuse to get him to shave more!!) lol

I'll make sure to share pictures and a report ::thumbs up::

P.S. Lindy, I need to get insurance for sure. I've realized since I've joined here how important that really is.
 
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I'm sorry, Mish, that may have come across the opposite of how I intended it to. I meant to reassure you that you don't have to worry about coming across badly :) As I said, most people here are friendly and willing to help!
 
I find my self obsessing with Bar Quality values... I think I've become too hyper focused on that...
 
I used to be that way, too. The only thing I watch now is the cleansing value and iodine value. I don't even worry too much about the cleansing value since I can either use more of a lye discount or add buttermilk or cream.

However, I know shaving soap is a little different and the stearic content is something you need to consider.
 
Mish I don't really pay too much attention to the numbers. I care about conditioning the most in all of my regular soap. In shaving soap I have to pay attention to the numbers, but only as far as the stearic number goes.

Over time you will learn what makes a good bar of soap almost on an intuitive level.
 
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