Shampoo recipe questions

[southernheartsoaps]

I recently made a liquid soap using sunflower oil and castor oil... turned out nice... was thinking it would make a great shampoo with rosemary EO added. First few times I used it, I loved it, but now it seems to be building up on my hair and causing a greasy, heavy feel to it. Is there no way to use liquid soap as a shampoo without this "build up?" MUST one use a "detergent" type as a shampoo? I'm going for totally all natural and wanted to go with the all natural approach I use for all my soaps... with no additives or anything artificial... is this possible with shampoo? I am so disappointed! Is there nothing I can do? I eventually wanted to offer this product for sale so I don't want to use the throw vinegar and an egg yolk on your head approach. Any advice would be much appreciated!

 

[agriffin]

I've never had a liquid or solid bar soap work as a shampoo. Some people use them and have to use heavy vinegar rinses...I just don't want to fuss with them.

I make a solid syndet shampoo bar and love it.

 

[ewenique]

What is syndet?

 

[Lindy]

When making a shampoo you need to step away from the idea of soap and look at what some of the ingredients are that go into shampoos. I've found that I learn more when I study what goes into some of the commercial products and then see what I can formulate using ingredients that I like.

One of the things you can look at is Panthenol.....

 

[Lindy]

What is syndet?

SYNthetic DETergent bar.....

 

[soapbuddy]

I've never had a liquid or solid bar soap work as a shampoo. Some people use them and have to use heavy vinegar rinses...I just don't want to fuss with them.

I make a solid syndet shampoo bar and love it.

Same here. I use a solid syndet bar on my hair & love it.

 

[carebear]

Irena, I've been trying a few and haven't found one I like - do you sell the one you use? Or get it from someone else?

 

[soapbuddy]

Irena, I've been trying a few and haven't found one I like - do you sell the one you use? Or get it from someone else?

I'm still in the testing stage with my syndet shampoo bars. I did buy this one, which I really like. http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name ... id=1175338

 

[nattynoo]

Wondering if anyone has tried putting SLSA into soap at trace?????
In aust it comes as a powder, is that the same for the states??
Wonder how it would react & function in the soap??????
Wonder if it would eliminate the soap scum feel that is left behind from the soap.
Anyone tried it??????

 

[BakingNana]

Irena, I've been trying a few and haven't found one I like - do you sell the one you use? Or get it from someone else?

I'm still in the testing stage with my syndet shampoo bars. I did buy this one, which I really like. http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name ... id=1175338

Sounds nice for det. bar, but be aware that there is a wheat ingredient in this one and others if gluten is a problem.

 

[agriffin]

Hmmm...since some of us are working on syndet shampoo bars, would anybody be interested in a swap the first of the year? Even if it's just 5 or so of us.

If you want to start making them, check out http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com/2 ... orial.html

I get everything I need for them from theherbarie.com and suppliestodiefor.com

They are super easy to make...the thing is finding the right formula for your hair.

 

[nattynoo]

They have sooooooo many ingredients that I don't have. 'mI pretty sure I can find most of them.
Do u find they are expensive to make. How much do u average per bar Agriffin if u don't mind me asking?
I do particularly like the ones from Lush. I'm a Lush junkie from way back its what drew me to soap from the very beginning. Their solid shampoo was one of the first things i tried.

I think I'm going to try ther slsa in the soap though & see what happens.

 

[agriffin]

Here's all the ingredients I used and bought....I'll post my recipe also. I'm already changing it; but it's a good start.

Ingredients to die for
Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate Coarse (SLSA16) - Surfactants & Solubilizers 1
Size:
1 lb $10.52


The Herbarie
dlPanthLiq_4oz dl Panthenol 50% Liquid Options: Size: 4 ounce - $5.95

$5.95 1 $5.95
SCIFlake_12oz SCI Flake Options: Size: 12 ounce - $9.75

$9.75 1 $9.75
DLSMild_4oz DLS Mild Options: Size: 4 ounce - $3.95

$3.95 1 $3.95
CetylAlcohol_1lb Cetyl Alcohol NF Options: Size: 1 pound - $6.75

$6.75 1 $6.75
BTMS-50_1oz BTMS-50 Options: Size: 1 ounce - $5.50

$5.50 1 $5.50
CRConc_1oz Incroquat CR Concentrate Options: Size: 1 ounce - $3.95

$3.95 1 $3.95
JordaponACI_4oz Jordapon ACI 30G Options: Size: 4 ounce - $4.50

$4.50 1 $4.50
Dimeth1000_2oz Dimethicone 1000 Options: Size: 2 ounce - $3.50

$5.95 1 $5.95
HydroOats_1oz Hydrolyzed Oats Options: Size: 1 ounce - $5.95

$5.95 1 $5.95

Here's the recipe I used: I think I'm going to swap out the jordapon with something milder...not sure. But this is where I started.

grams
30% SCI flakes 120
30% SLSa 120
15% DLS mild 60
10% Jordapon ACI 40
3% cetyl alcohol 12
3% BTMS-50 12
1% Cocoa Butter 4
1% Avocado Oil 4
2% Incroquat CR 8

COOL DOWN INGREDIENTS
1% hydrolyzed oat protein 4
1% panthenol 4
1% dimethicone 4
2% EO blend of lav, lemongrass and cedarwood

It'll cost you a little money to get started...but I love these things!

 

[dubnica]

Amanda,

is this recipe for normal hair?
Did you come up with the perfect recipe for your hair type?

 

[BakingNana]

I have a quick question on it, too, Amanda. Does oat protein have gluten? I have a customer who won't touch anything that's not GF, and if I can get a GF oat protein rather than a wheat, that'd be great. Does your supplier say anything about it?

 

[rubyslippers]

I have a quick question on it, too, Amanda. Does oat protein have gluten? I have a customer who won't touch anything that's not GF, and if I can get a GF oat protein rather than a wheat, that'd be great. Does your supplier say anything about it?

I'm not Amanda, but I recently made my first syndet shampoo bars and I noticed when I was seeking out all the ingredients that I kept running into hydrolyzed silk protein. Since my GD may have a sensitivity to gluten I was wondering if that would be an acceptable substitute for the wheat or oat protein. :?