New Recipe for swirling?

[qualitycaprine]

I am wanting to start swirling, but my current recipe traces too fast.

Current Recipe

7 oz coconut oil
7 oz palm oil
7 oz pomace olive oil
1 oz castor

3.1 Lye
7.3 Slushy Goat Milk

I heard that canola oil with slow down trace. I know that it can cause DOS, so I am going to try a test batch. I am also wanting it more moisturizing , so I was going to add in a little shea butter.

Hopeful Recipe

5.5 oz coconut oil
5.5 oz palm oil
5.5 oz pomace olive oil
3.3 canola
1.1 oz castor
1.1 shea butter

3.0 Lye
7.3 Slushy Goat Milk

I do not have shea, but I am wanting to get my test batch of canola out. Do you think I can just replace the shea with more castor and see if I get DOS?

 

[TuxedoKat]

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I just added it to my cart, entered the promo code and they sent me access to the videos. Again, don't know if that is of any use to you, or what all the video's cover, but thought I'd mention it just in case.

 

[Hazel]

Are you using a stick blender? My batches were tracing too fast but I switched to stirring more with a spoon and that helped a lot.

Castor oil would add more condtioning than shea butter. However, I like the recipe you've posted. I think it looks like it would make a nice soap. This is just my opinion but you could try either recipe below for a conditoning bar.

6.6 oz pomace olive oil
5.5 oz coconut oil
5.5 oz palm oil
3.3 canola
1.1 oz castor

or

5.5 oz coconut oil
5.5 oz palm oil
5.5 oz pomace olive oil
3.3 canola
2.2 oz castor

 

[youreapima2]

this is a shea butter recipe I found a while ago, and really like it I don't have problems with it tracing way too fast, unless I use certain f/o's that bring it to that stage quickly.

8 oz olive oil
8 oz coconut oil
6 oz shea butter
6 oz palm oil
10.64 oz distilled water
3.959 oz of lye

 

[maryannm]

If I remember correctly, pomace traces faster than "regular" olive oil - but I think that soaping cool and backing off from a stick blender might do the trick. Sometimes I'll just go after it with a whisk, and only engage power if I need to. Any fragrance in there? That can make a big difference also.

 

[qualitycaprine]

That recipe traces fast without any FO's. I tried my new recipe tonight.

6.6 Pomace Olive
6.6 Coconut
6.6 Palm
1.1 Shea
1.1 Castor

This one also traces super fast, maybe it is all the 6's. lol I will try the hand stirring trick next time. I am thinking of picking up some canola and waiting a couple months to watch for any DOS.

 

[Fragola]

Maybe not all pomace are the same ...

I just tried pomace for the first time, and was feeling kind of apprehensive seeing all those fast tracing reports. Even had a stick nearby to put the soap on.

Anyway, I proceeded carefully, and after the soap was poured, I had a half cup put aside to use as icing, which was still too thin, 10 minutes later (had to accelerate trace).

How much time do you need ?

 

[busymakinsoap!]

I would take out the GM. This will buy you heaps more time.

If you wanted a real slow tracer, you could just do the Olive, Coconut and Castor.

My regular recipe traces fairly quickly, but I still manage swirls. i just bring to a really light trace, or the emulsification stage just before trace. As long as your FO doesn't behave too badly, I think it's possible to swirl with any reicpe.

 

[Moonblossom]

That's very similar to what I use in my recipes except I use more pomace then anything else and I don't trace fast unless I have a fast FO. OR unless I use all goats milk, so I do half/half for mine, half gm half RO water.

~Teri

 

[carebear]

pomace could be part of your problem - but since it's the economical choice I won't suggest you swap it for regular olive oil.

palm is reputed to trace fast.
lard, which is a great substitute, traces slow - so I'd stick with the formula you love and swap out the palm for lard.

 

[Fragola]

I don't know much about goats milk, but I have noticed there are many ways to mix it in. Wouldn't that change the tracing speed ?

Either adding it at trace, or mixing it into the oils or maybe preparing the milk-lye solution few hours (or days) in advance.

 

[agriffin]

Use olive oil at 50% of the total oils and don't use any hard/brittle oils (pko/cocoa butter).

My go to swirling recipe is something usually like:

50% olive
25% palm (or lard)
25% coconut oil

It's a good one for beginners.

 

[qualitycaprine]

I only use goat milk as that is the only reason I make soap. lol I used my 15% canola recipe and it was perfect. The trace was slowed down by a lot. The soap looks good as well. I will need to keep it for a couple months in case of DOS.