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Ccumato

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Yes I'm new to soap making. I do have a couple questions. I want to buy in bulk for all of my learning mistakes.

1. I see some organic or non organic oils for cheap (bulk apothecary) or expensive (tropical) how to tell a best bang for buck? Because they all say they are the best.

2. Same question about Lye. 2lbs local $15 sold as drain cleaner but is it really 100% lye? Some say even thought the safety paper work says 100% it still can have some aluminum or other mineral in it. At bulk apothecary it's 8lbs for $18 shipped.

I do want quality and but just because it cost more doesn't mean it's better.

Thank you
 
I understand there are several places that people use. I was curious how to tell the quality. And how to compare.

Thanks.
 
For lye, in terms of purity, from highest to lowest: food grade, lab/tech grade, drain cleaner. I have used both food and lab grade lye in making CP soaps, and have not noticed any difference. Never tried drain cleaner, not because I am a snob, but simply because it is not readily available near where I live. All grades of lye may contain impurities such as aluminum, but so will that piece of pie baked in an aluminum pan.

Since I also use lye from time to time in cooking/baking, it is just simpler to keep food grade lye around instead of having two types. The difference in costs is not that much. And like lsg, I get my lye from Essential Depot as well. In a pinch, when I run out and I must make soap, there is a local science/lab supply store I could run to.

Whether you use organic or conventionally produced oil is a matter of personal preference. Conventionally produced oils might contain a negligible amount of herbicides/pesticides. The question is whether the difference in costs, compared with the reduction in risk (or perceived risk), is justified - and it is something for an individual to decide. Same with conventional vs. sustainably harvested vs. no palm - it is a personal decision. How the oil is produced also matters. Some are cold pressed (IMHO, way too expensive for making soap), some are solvent extracted. And of course the oils that are solvent extracted may retain a minuscule amount of the solvents, such as hexane. Should you avoid it? Again, it is a personal decision. I don't, because the amount is too tiny for me to worry about in a wash-off product. You are probably being exposed to hundreds if not thousands times more of these chemicals having a restaurant meal.

I judge the quality of essential oils with my own nose. While some people are happy with the EO from low cost suppliers, I have had several bad experience with cheap EOs. They smell fake and chemical-y to me. At this point I have made the decision to avoid the cheap ones and go scent-free when I cannot afford quality EOs. Other seems to be fine with the EOs from places I avoid; and many people are fine with using FOs as well.

They way I look a it, we are bombarded with all kinds of chemicals in our daily life. For health and other reasons I like to minimize the exposure but it is impossible to avoid everything. How far would you go and how much money should you spend to do this, is, ultimately a personal decision.
 
Thank you for a great answer. Well it seems I was thinking right.

Just have to basically buy 2 different kinds and use the same recipe and test it.

I was hoping to see if someone had done a test like this.

I also wanna know what makes something food grade.
 
Ccumato said:
I understand there are several places that people use. I was curious how to tell the quality. And how to compare.

Thanks.
The answer to your question is to use quality suppliers.
 
For soap, I don't think there is going to be a meaningful difference in the quality of your basic coconut, palm, olive, etc. oil. Soapers' Choice is cheap, ships fast, and the oils are fresh. The only oil I buy locally is olive oil from Costco because it's cheaper when the shipping costs are factored in. I generally don't buy organic except for organic sustainable palm (again from Soapers' Choice) because of environmental concerns regarding palm plantations. I believe that SC is a good bit cheaper than Bulk Apothecary.

For lye, I also order on line because it's cheaper than rooto or roebic from the local hardware store and I can buy in quantity instead of one container at a time. I also purchase mostly from Essential Depot and I generally use technical grade. Never had a problem with it. The food grade is held to a slightly higher standard of purity but for soap I don't think it matters. I've also used lye from AAA and Ingredients to Die For and I can't tell a difference across suppliers.
 
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