High sf but low conditioning? Help please.

[godschild]

I attached my recipe. I started out using 5% sf in soap calc but didn't like the conditioning numbers. I upped it all the way to 20% and the conditioning never changed. Nothing did. Is it supposed to change? I thought if you used a higher sf, you got more conditioning properties. Could someone clarify this for me? I am shooting for a good bar that would be good for anyone to use but I want it to be nice and conditioning. I will be adding salt, sugar, and sl to my lye water.

SoapCalc © Recipe Name: Print Recipe
Total oil weight 74 oz
Water as percent of oil weight 38 %
Super Fat/Discount 20 %
Lye Concentration 23.848 %
Water : Lye Ratio 3.193:1
Sat : Unsat Ratio 52 : 48
Iodine 50
INS 159
Fragrance Ratio .75
Fragrance Weight 3.469 oz
Pounds Ounces Grams
Water 1.758 28.120 797.188
Lye - NaOH 0.550 8.806 249.655
Oils 4.625 74.000 2097.863
Fragrance 0.217 3.469 98.344
Soap weight before CP cure or HP cookMore info 7.150 114.395 3243.050
# √ Oil/Fat % Pounds Ounces Grams
1 Lard, Pig Tallow Manteca 55.000 2.544 40.700 1153.825
2 Olive Oil 10.000 0.463 7.400 209.786
3 Palm Kernel Oil Flakes, hydrogenated 7.000 0.324 5.180 146.850
4 Coconut Oil, 76 deg 14.000 0.647 10.360 293.701
5 Castor Oil 2.000 0.092 1.480 41.957
6 Palm Oil 10.000 0.463 7.400 209.786
7 Stearic Acid 2.000 0.092 1.480 41.957
Totals 100 4.625 74.000 2097.863
Soap Bar Quality Range Your Recipe
Hardness 29 - 54 49
Cleansing 12 - 22 15
Conditioning 44 - 69 45
Bubbly 14 - 46 16
Creamy 16 - 48 36
Iodine 41 - 70 50
INS 136 - 165 159
Lauric 10
Myristic 4
Palmitic 23
Stearic 11
Ricinoleic 2
Oleic 38
Linoleic 6
Linolenic 0
Additives Notes

 

[Obsidian]

Soapcalc doesn't take the SF% into account when it figures the conditioning numbers. Having a higher SF doesn't necessarily increase the conditioning but the extra oil means some should be left behind on the skin.
To increase your conditioning numbers, use either coconut or palm kernel at 15% but not both. Decrease your lard and increase your olive oil to 50%. Ditch the steric, increase castor to 5%.

 

[godschild]

Oh yeah, I've never used more than 8% sf, so will I get dos with this 20%? Gives me the willies from what I've read before

 

[Obsidian]

There are some who believe that a really high SF can contribute to DOS. Personally I've only made one batch with 20% SF and I didn't care for it, reduced the lather too much. Try a 10% SF for now, see how that does for you. You really are better off adjusting your oil to increase the conditioning numbers. My basic bar has a conditioning number of 62 and I SF at 8%.
The exception to this is salt bars made with a high percentage of coconut oil, it has to have a 20% SF to counter act the high cleansing number.

 

[lpstephy85]

You shouldn't have a problem with DOS since the oils being used are shelf stable oils and nothing in there goes rancid quick. PKO and CO have closely the same properties so it would be best to choose either one or the other, but if you choose both I would decrease the numbers like Obsidian said.