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I'm disapointed. I purchased a few bottles of the above colorant. They color well, but they are sooooooooo hard to squeeze out of the bottle.

Today, I squeezed too hard :( So hard that the cap completely shot off into my bowl of HOT m&p base, splattering base all over my chest and arms (believe me, it hurt, and I have the red marks to prove it). Not to mention my 1 pound of m&p base is wasted b/c there's .5 ounces of colorant in it.

I'm writing them asking them to improve their bottles and for a replacement for my loss of materials (that I bought from them anyway).

I'll keep you all updated. But, really, be careful with their bottles!!! Or you'll end up with red dots on your skin like me :(

UPDATE: She wrote me back and said that it's "common knowledge to snip the ends of the bottles" to increase flow and won't offer a replacement. Is this really common knowledge?!? Other colorants I have are twist tops, require droppers, or just flat out have an easier flow. What should I do???
 
Hmm, I haven't used their colorants before, but I have used the 'snip the end of the bottle' trick for many creams and art supplies in the past. That being said, I wouldn't call it 'common knowledge', especially if nothing about it is mentioned on the website. I can definitely tell you that in retail, it's dangerous to assume the customer knows something you haven't told them.

I doubt you'll get her to replace the M&P base, but I would have expected her to offer to replace the dye.

I would maybe unscrew the caps of the bottles and use a toothpick/dropper to scoop out the appropriate amount of dye for the remaining bottles you have left-- but I'm guessing you probably won't be ordering any more from them again.
 
Artephius said:
Hmm, I haven't used their colorants before, but I have used the 'snip the end of the bottle' trick for many creams and art supplies in the past. That being said, I wouldn't call it 'common knowledge', especially if nothing about it is mentioned on the website. I can definitely tell you that in retail, it's dangerous to assume the customer knows something you haven't told them.

I doubt you'll get her to replace the M&P base, but I would have expected her to offer to replace the dye.

I would maybe unscrew the caps of the bottles and use a toothpick/dropper to scoop out the appropriate amount of dye for the remaining bottles you have left-- but I'm guessing you probably won't be ordering any more from them again.
She actually said she won't be replacing anything b/c it "is common knowledge." She did give a $5 voucher (big whoop).

The bottles don't have screw tops, it's just the dropper as the end. The dropper part can't be removed easily, or without making a mess.

The only thing that's preventing me from ceasing to purchase from them. Anyone know of anywhere that offers SFIC base cheaper than $9.99/2 lbs?
 
Ah well, sometimes the only thing you can do is vote with your wallet and walk away. :?

I hope you find another base that works for you.
 
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I've never heard of having to snip the tops to increase the flow, but I don't use their colorants.

Anyone know of anywhere that offers SFIC base cheaper than $9.99/2 lbs?
Not off the top of my head, but I remember last year there was talk of an SFIC co-op. Perhaps we could generate enough interest again to see it through. You never know?
 
i stuck a pin in the end to widen the orifice - or cut it. Same as with any other squeezy bottle (glue comes to mind, and that stuff we use to paint on t-shirts). I don't recall ever seeing instructions to do that - but I guess not everyone would think of it.
 
Deda said:
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I've never heard of having to snip the tops to increase the flow, but I don't use their colorants.

Anyone know of anywhere that offers SFIC base cheaper than $9.99/2 lbs?
Not off the top of my head, but I remember last year there was talk of an SFIC co-op. Perhaps we could generate enough interest again to see it through. You never know?

For the SFIC MP soap base, try here: http://www.soapies-supplies.com/shop/sfic-cut-ups.html
 
Thanks, Soapbuddy, I've been wanting to try theirs!
 
soapbuddy said:
Deda said:
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I've never heard of having to snip the tops to increase the flow, but I don't use their colorants.

Anyone know of anywhere that offers SFIC base cheaper than $9.99/2 lbs?
Not off the top of my head, but I remember last year there was talk of an SFIC co-op. Perhaps we could generate enough interest again to see it through. You never know?

For the SFIC MP soap base, try here: http://www.soapies-supplies.com/shop/sfic-cut-ups.html
Wow, even their regular 2 lb tub is cheaper than SS! Do you have experience with shipping speed and cost?
 
candice19 said:
soapbuddy said:
Deda said:
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I've never heard of having to snip the tops to increase the flow, but I don't use their colorants.

Anyone know of anywhere that offers SFIC base cheaper than $9.99/2 lbs?
Not off the top of my head, but I remember last year there was talk of an SFIC co-op. Perhaps we could generate enough interest again to see it through. You never know?

For the SFIC MP soap base, try here: http://www.soapies-supplies.com/shop/sfic-cut-ups.html
Wow, even their regular 2 lb tub is cheaper than SS! Do you have experience with shipping speed and cost?
I've ordered from her before. The cost is about average and she shipped fairly quickly.
 
Thanks for the info....and while I'm not in the market for colorants, I will make a mental note of what type of customer service they provide. ;)
 
Vinca Leaf said:
Thanks for the info....and while I'm not in the market for colorants, I will make a mental note of what type of customer service they provide. ;)
It's kinda unfortunate because I gave them a rave review not too long ago :( Between then and now I've had another experience, and it was overall not good.
 
Re: Be CAREFUL w/ Southern Soapers non-bleeding colorant bot

candice19 said:
I'm shocked and angry at the same time. I purchased a few bottles of the above colorant. They color well, but they are sooooooooo hard to squeeze out of the bottle.

Today, I squeezed too hard :( So hard that the cap completely shot off into my bowl of HOT m&p base, splattering base all over my chest and arms (believe me, it hurt, and I have the red marks to prove it). Not to mention my 1 pound of m&p base is wasted b/c there's .5 ounces of colorant in it.

I'm writing them asking them to improve their bottles and for a replacement for my loss of materials (that I bought from them anyway).

I'll keep you all updated. But, really, be careful with their bottles!!! Or you'll end up with red dots on your skin like me :(

UPDATE: She wrote me back and said that it's "common knowledge to snip the ends of the bottles" to increase flow and won't offer a replacement. Is this really common knowledge?!? Other colorants I have are twist tops, require droppers, or just flat out have an easier flow. What should I do???

Candace
The information to snip the tips on the bottles of colorant that you want a faster flow on is on our website. Had you emailed us when you first experienced a problem, we would have gladly directed you to this information:

http://southernsoapers.com/cart/soap-co ... 76_19.html

"These Non Bleeding Gel Colors have been formulated specifically for use in Melt & Pour Soap bases, and are non-migrating - non-bleeding in Melt & Pour bases. Easy to use because the dry powder pigments are already dispersed in glycerin, making clean up easy also! Just squeeze a few drops into your soap base until you achieve the color or shade desired. The Basic Colors are oxides or ultramarmines, and approved for both soap and cosmetics. The Jeweled Colors are gleaming micas, and are also both soap and cosmetic approved. The Neon Brights are approved only for use in soap however. Three of the Jeweled Colors (Rouge Maroon, Midnight Blue, & Patagonia Purple) are not 100% non bleeding, however they migrate minimally, still making them good choices for most Melt & Pour applications. Please note: These gel colorants are very thick. The dropper bottles only allow a small drop at a time. If you need a faster flow with these liquid colors, simply use your scissors to snip the tip of the dropper bottle so the liquid pigment has a wider tip to flow through. "

The bottles are not defective as you stated in your email to me. You noted that you had experienced the problem with the other liquid colorants also, but had not emailed or called us for any guidance on the matter. That is what we are here for, and our phone number is freely available on the website as well as our customer service email.

Your demand that Southern Soapers replace all of your liquid colorants and the soap base was unreasonable considering you did not follow stated directions on our website for using these colorants, nor email or call for us to assist you in the matter when you first experienced difficulty.

As a courtesy, I still issued you a Gift Certificate for $5.00 regarding this matter. I don't see you mentioning this fact anywhere in your complaint.



Again, I am very sorry you had this mishap. Very sorry you did not call or email us for help. However, our policies are very clear that Southern Soapers is not responsible for the use or mis use of our products. That is where the customer has to take responsibility in the matter.

Kelly Bloom
Southern Soapers
http://www.southernsoapers.com


PS> EDITED TO NOTE :
candice19 said:
"She did give a $5 voucher (big whoop). "

Hmm, I take that back. You *did* mention the $5.00 Gift Certificate we issued you.
 
candice19 said:
Artephius said:
The only thing that's preventing me from ceasing to purchase from them. Anyone know of anywhere that offers SFIC base cheaper than $9.99/2 lbs?

Yes Candace! You order enough soap base that you really should consider ordering directly from SFIC. Just order the cut ups and get five 50 lb boxes. This is also called 'front loading ' your profit margin, making it possible for you to sell your M&P soaps more profitably yourself.

SFIC is located in San Francisco, CA... Southern Soapers does NOT sell SFIC at wholesale prices due to the incredibly high cost of shipping to Virginia from California. Nor do we have any intention of competing with suppliers that do wholesale the SFIC soap bases. I order SFIC soap bases primarily for our Soapalooza! Soap Arts Studio retail store here in Virginia. I run the prebuy twice a year on SFIC cut ups when I am reordeing for my Soapalooza! Soap Arts Studio retail craft store, solely as a courtesy for those soapmakers that normally would not want 250 lbs minimum of their own. Shipping soap bases is expensive, a function of weight and distance. The further you are from California, the more expensive the shipping will be, of course.

The SFIC tubs you see on Southern Soapers are offered to let those wanting to try it for the first time, soapmakers in an immediate manufacturing emergency, and for those wanting to get a few pounds of soap base with their fragrance order (saving them a separate shipping bill from another supplier).

Here is where you can go to order your SFIC soap bases directly:
http://www.sficcorp.com/meltandamppoursoapbase.aspx

Good luck! Ordering directly is absolutely, positively the way to go on this! You can mix and match your five 50 lb cases also.

Kelly Bloom
Southern Soapers
http://www.southernsoapers.com
757-224-2439
 
Kelly,

It's very professional of you to post someone's entire complaint email. By posting, you're showing people on this board your customer service skills as well - possibly even making people think twice about discussing their shopping experiences online??

I ASKED for a replacement and to discuss it to come to a resolution we could both be happy with. You just emailed me the voucher. The most unfortunate part is that I've been so busy this week that I actually had time to think about the voucher, etc, and wanted to email you BACK saying forget it, it's possible I overreacted at the time I emailed you since I was mad afterall, and then purchase even more soap from your current pre-buy event.

I've said nothing but good things about SS up until this moment and even recommended you to someone 2 days ago! Sad to say, that will end today.

Oh, and thanks for valuing me as a customer and letting me know where else I can shop.

Candice, with an "i"
 
Kelly Bloom, to be clear: I do not "know" Candice any more than I know you. I *would* like to give my perspective as a person that shops for soap supplies though.

YES the soaper/consumer does have an element of responsibility in using products they purchase. If Candace wanted to super-scent her M&P and overused it, thus ruining her 2# of soap, that is TOTALLY her fault, and she should take her lumps. What she described was not that...it was a failed cap, thus ruining her 2# of soap. Additionally, the hot soap on her probably gave her a bad day. Not a bad burn, but a bad day. And it was directly from the cap popping off into her soap base. The cap from colorant that she purchased from your company.

I see now that in the listing for colorant you give instructions on what to do if the colorant does not flow freely. I can only assume that the info came out of this situation (which is something positive!). If it was there before, well then Candice should take her lumps. I suspect it wasn't though, since you chided her in her email for it being "common knowledge" to fiddle with the cap.

Finally, while Candice came to the forum with a problem, I'm not sure it's your place (on behalf of the company) to put a laundry list of what transpired between you, the company, and she, the consumer. At the very least it's poor form, but the reason why it concerns me is that it seems to be a breech of trust. She went to the source to alert the company to the problem, the company says "You should know better", and then when she comes to fellow soapers in disbelief, the company comes in and airs the dirty laundry? And as an aside, it seems you did so in a bit of a tizzy to not notice that she HAD mentioned the $5 credit. Her story does not differ from what she told us, and what you've cut and pasted here.

In reading what has transpired, SS only stands behind it's products as far as the purchase happens. Then, you're on your own. Hiding behind "Our policy clearly states...." would be inflammatory to me as a customer. I have no experience with you (collectively), but I wonder if I ever will? I have heard raves about lovely scents, but it's not just the product for me. Customer service goes along way. Treating people with courtesy and concern goes a long way. Wanting to make sure everything is a-ok goes a long way. Along with good packaging, speedy service and all the automated type things too.

"In these trying economic times" my money goes to those who are trying.
 
Candice
Perhaps calling Southern Soapers privately would have been more professional on your part also?

Your complaint here however misrepresents the problem and our communications. The problem you experienced though was two fold : 1. you did not read directions, and 2. you did not ask for help.

You brought your customer complaint to a public forum instead of to us, and asked for help. It has been given. I have directed you to the place on our website where the instructions were on how to handle the colorant bottles. I have directed you to the SFIC Soap Base Manufacturer source to secure your future success.

I wish you well in all your endeavors.


Kelly Bloom
Southern Soapers
http://www.southernsoapers.com
757-224-2439
 
Vinca Leaf said:
Kelly Bloom, to be clear: I do not "know" Candice any more than I know you. I *would* like to give my perspective as a person that shops for soap supplies though.

YES the soaper/consumer does have an element of responsibility in using products they purchase. If Candace wanted to super-scent her M&P and overused it, thus ruining her 2# of soap, that is TOTALLY her fault, and she should take her lumps. What she described was not that...it was a failed cap, thus ruining her 2# of soap. Additionally, the hot soap on her probably gave her a bad day. Not a bad burn, but a bad day. And it was directly from the cap popping off into her soap base. The cap from colorant that she purchased from your company.

And Candice clearly states "I squeezed too hard". She also stated she had experienced the problem with the couple other similar colors from us. She should have emailed or called. Candice has called in the past and we immediately reshipped 20 lbs of an order that our crew goofed on. 20 lbs shipped the same day she called. We have also refunded returns from her that we normally never accept returns on. We are not hearing about that today from Candice though.

I see now that in the listing for colorant you give instructions on what to do if the colorant does not flow freely. I can only assume that the info came out of this situation (which is something positive!). If it was there before, well then Candice should take her lumps. I suspect it wasn't though, since you chided her in her email for it being "common knowledge" to fiddle with the cap.


The instructions for the thick gel colorants have been on the website since we released them last year. We use these bottles exclusively to cut down on leakage in shipping. It is a trade-off. Let customers snip the tips to get faster flow on the colorants they need this with, or have a high percentage of product leak in shipping. These bottles have the least leakage rate of any we have worked with in the last 18 mos. So, yes.. it was there.


Finally, while Candice came to the forum with a problem, I'm not sure it's your place (on behalf of the company) to put a laundry list of what transpired between you, the company, and she, the consumer. At the very least it's poor form, but the reason why it concerns me is that it seems to be a breech of trust. She went to the source to alert the company to the problem, the company says "You should know better", and then when she comes to fellow soapers in disbelief, the company comes in and airs the dirty laundry? And as an aside, it seems you did so in a bit of a tizzy to not notice that she HAD mentioned the $5 credit. Her story does not differ from what she told us, and what you've cut and pasted here.

In reading what has transpired, SS only stands behind it's products as far as the purchase happens. Then, you're on your own. Hiding behind "Our policy clearly states...." would be inflammatory to me as a customer.

Southern Soapers stands behind our products. There was not a product failure here, there was an operator failure. Customers are expected to read how to use a product, or at the very least call or email if they have a problem or questions. Southern Soapers not only offers customer service on our products, but we often do for other products sold to our customers by other suppliers.

Customer service goes along way. Treating people with courtesy and concern goes a long way. Wanting to make sure everything is a-ok goes a long way. Along with good packaging, speedy service and all the automated type things too.

Yes, this is true.. That is why we shipped the corrected order of 20 lbs of product within 30 mins of her phone call to us. That is why we also refunded a product that she just simply did not *like*, when we do not normally do this. It is also why we issued her a $5 credit even though the colorant fiasco she had was purely operator error.

If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me or Candice personally.

edited to highlight my last response in red and to add that the one thing this incident will do is ensure the note to snip the non bleeding colorant bottles in on each of their individual pages. Hopefully, this will prevent a similar circumstance. And for the tangles my fingers make on keyboards.

Kelly Bloom
Southern Soapers
http://www.southernsoapers.com
 
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