Coronavirus

[jcandleattic]

The variant has been found in the US as of yesterday, and of course the first case was found in Colorado.
*sigh*

 

[linne1gi]

Well, if all travel were banned between states or whatever municipalities may be called in our various locales, where would our food come from? How would PPE's get delivered? How would we get our soap-making supplies? How would hand sanitizer end up in the hands of those who need them? Who would repair essential equipment when it breaks down? There is so much done that is totally dependent on interstate & international travel, to assume that we can just close the roads to all traffic is naive. And our Congressfolk have to travel to do the business of running our democracy, in fact, so shutting down the airports would halt that process as well.

And how would people who have to return home get back home? Or people that have to move to find a new place to live (for whatever reason), how will they get there if they can't travel to their new home? Not everyone started in a place where they can actually stay indefinitely when this pandemic hit or when a new wave hit, either.

Anyway, I do agree that reasonable travel restrictions are necessary and that unnecessary travel should be avoided. But people are going to do what they are going to do and it cannot all be prevented even with the most stringent policies in place.

So I just got back from moving my son 2100 miles across country. He had to move. He could not do it on his own. I had to go back there to help him. It was the only way to make it happen safely and to ensure he would not end up stranded somewhere along the way. In fact, if I had not been there, he may well have ended up in a psych ward, jail, stranded in a snow storm in Colorado, or dead. Any of those things were an absolutely real possibility given his circumstances. And his dog would have suffered as well, and would also have ended up stranded who knows where had any of those things happened. So I did the right thing by my son, his dog and my conscience. I rented a vehicle and drove out to get him and we caravaned as far as over the mountain range in Colorado until his car gave out, then I rented a storage unit for some of his stuff and drove him & his dog the rest of the way here so he would have a safe place to live. Tomorrow my husband is driving to Colorado to get his stuff from storage and bringing it back here. I was going to do that myself, but he volunteered to take on that burden and give me a few extra days of much needed rest, for which I am extremely grateful. He's a good man. And my son is close-by now and I can better keep track of his welfare, even though he is an adult and I wish he could manage it all by himself.

There are so many people in the world who cannot make it on their own without the help of others, and travel is sometimes a necessary part of providing that help. So I am against the idea of absolute travel bans. They make no sense unless as a society we also endorse starvation and isolation to the detriment of life.

In the course of my travels to and from my son's home, I adhered to strict CoVid precautions, more so than some state residents in all the states I drove through, both at gas stations (had to use the restrooms) and in hotels (couldn't sleep in the car in the dead of winter in any of said states). The only places that seemed to adhere to CoVid precautions diligently were in places where it's a National Corporate policy and even then some simply chose to ignore the posted signage. These were not travelers, but local people with local license plates on their cars; so if they get CoVid, they have only themselves to blame, not this traveler. I rarely saw anyone with out-of-state plates get out of their cars or semis without a mask at a truck stop in any of the states where I refilled the gas tank. And none of them walked into a C-store without a mask from those out-of-state plated vehicles.

I helped my daughter move in October. She only moved an hour north - but her roommate moved out of their apartment and left her stranded with the rent for 2 people. She was a piece of work - left more than half of her belongings - cleaned up nothing - and then called my daughter to find out when she would get her share of the security deposit! Anyway, we observed strict protocol - wearing masks diligently, even outdoors, while moving. I don't think she could have done it alone - she left me at the first apartment to monitor the moving people, while she drove on to the next apartment to get the key - it worked out pretty well. Now, she's in her own place, with no one to give her a hard time.

 

[earlene]

It's what mothers do, right? We love our kids; we help them when they need us if we are able; we worry when they are in trouble; we are happy when they are safe and in better circumstances. And hopefully, we demonstrate & model behavior we strive to instill in them. Kudos to us!

I am happy for your daughter and also that you were a able to provide her with the help she needed.

I helped my daughter move in October. She only moved an hour north - but her roommate moved out of their apartment and left her stranded with the rent for 2 people. She was a piece of work - left more than half of her belongings - cleaned up nothing - and then called my daughter to find out when she would get her share of the security deposit! Anyway, we observed strict protocol - wearing masks diligently, even outdoors, while moving. I don't think she could have done it alone - she left me at the first apartment to monitor the moving people, while she drove on to the next apartment to get the key - it worked out pretty well. Now, she's in her own place, with no one to give her a hard time.

 

[Susie]

My daughter arrived at my house in March, hours before we locked down. We had to go back to her college town and actually move her belongings when things loosened up a bit in May. We followed all precautions and none of us got sick. It is possible to travel and even stay in a hotel safely. You just have to keep following the rules.

 

[Iseleigh]

This video explains a lot of what is going on right now. I'd suggest everyone watch it before it gets taken down.

 

[paradisi]

This video explains a lot of what is going on right now. I'd suggest everyone watch it before it gets taken down.

This is .. nonsense.

 

[beckster51]

This is .. nonsense.

Oh my, this is the most involved conspiracy theory I have ever heard! Everybody who is leaning toward conspiracy theories needs to educate themselves about the origin or conspiracy theories. For example, who on earth believes that wealthy people all over the earth could agree to do this, plan this, and execute it without it ever leaking out. If you can name me a situation where this large a group of people all over the world get together, agree to a solution, plan it, execute it and never mention to anyone I would like to hear it. People can't agree on anything, even within their own families. This really is nonsense, and if it is taken down it is for good reason. She talks about "them" instituting fear to meet some goal, so what is her goal in instituting fear? Because that is what she id doing.

 

[lucycat]

No real reason this video is on this forum

 

[SPowers]

except it relates to Covid

it sounds like conspiracy but this woman has incredible credentials... she's not a crackpot.

 

[paradisi]

Believing in and promoting the idea of a cabal instituting an agenda of 'Transhuman Depopulation of the planet ' and thus slavery is the epitome of crackpottery.

And has nothing to do with Covid or science.

 

[beckster51]

except it relates to Covid

it sounds like conspiracy but this woman has incredible credentials... she's not a crackpot.

A lot of people with credentials are crackpots. Just think about it. I could name a few in power at present, and so could you. Being educated doesn't mean you are always right.

 

[Catscankim]

I am not commenting on that video.

What people need to do if they have covid, is to NOT come to the hospital NOT sick! We get so many that come in JUST because they tested positive. This is the most irresponsible thing. stay home if you know you are covid. There is nothing to do if you aren't sick.

Maybe irresponsible is a little strong, uneducated might be the correct word. You do not need medical attention just because you tested positive if you have no symptoms.There is nothing to do for you.

I walked in through the front door coming back from smoking. There's this woman "I just tested positive". She was gently escorted out, and not without an argument from her that she belongs there because she has covid.

there are people standing around. People with kids, pregnant women, etc....all "socially distanced" waiting to check in for regular ER problems. You walk in and announce that you have covid. Nice. Go home if you are not sick. Then here comes poor Kim walking in from the only break she got in 12 hours.

Just that one action potentially exposed about ten people, then had to shut down the lobby to be cleaned...on and on.

I understand people are scared. Point is....do not just walk into a lobby infected. At least call first and ask what you should do...

 

[Zany_in_CO]

I am not commenting on that video.
I understand people are scared. Point is....do not just walk into a lobby infected. At least call first and ask what you should do...

Your point is well taken. Thank you!!!
I am not commenting on that video either.
People are scared. I don't know about elsewhere, but I belong to Kaiser (HMO) and to make a call first results in a recorded message telling you to go to the ER. Sheesh!

Back in mid-May to mid-June I experienced 12 of the COVID symptoms listed on the KP.org webpage. There was a number available to talk to a physician. Luckily, I got an ER doc. The discussion was short and to the point. When I told him my symptoms, he asked:

"Are you short of breath? Do you have trouble breathing?".
No.
"Then stay home. Isolate. Hydrate. Rest. Treat it like a cold."
Okay. But should I get tested?
"You can if you want to. I can set an appointment up for you."
What if I test positive?
"Unless you have trouble breathing, stay home."
I'll do that but what if I have trouble breathing?
"Then contact your PCP first before going to the ER."
What is my prognosis if I go to the ER?
"We have no cure for COVID 19."

The point I'm making is that we hear "Wash your hands. Wear a mask. Practice social distancing" ad nauseam daily! But no one is telling the general population what to do if you test positive! I even searched the KP.org website before placing the call to the doctor. Nothing, nada, zero, zip that told me what to do.

To my mind at least, and in support of your statement @Catscankim it seems to me that it would be prudent if the PSAs also informed those who test positive to isolate, hydrate, rest, treat if like a cold. How hard is it to figure that out?

 

[Zany_in_CO]

For what it's worth, I heard this statistic on the radio this morning:
Deaths in the USA due to COVID-19 ~ 20 million
Deaths in the USA due to the Flu ~ 50 million (and that's with easy access to the vaccine!)

Something to think about, especially since the damage to our economy due to the Lock Down may be irreparable. So, buckle up, peeps. 2021 is going to be a long and bumpy road.

 

[sunnysuds]

well on coming Monday I leave for Europe for few weeks , can not cancel it, With my COPD any cold or flue may end as pneumonia, I keep my fingers crossed that no one will be sneezing in plane. What we do , when the sickness come. Whatever it is is (viruses) it stats in the nose, then rinsing sinuses is pretty useful tool, hand washing, and hand washing I hope I will have a nice time in Poland (I had not visit for 15 years) and come back healthy

I pray for an uneventful trip.

 

[lshone]

For what it's worth, I heard this statistic on the radio this morning:
Deaths in the USA due to COVID-19 ~ 20 million
Deaths in the USA due to the Flu ~ 50 million (and that's with easy access to the vaccine!)

As of today, in the U.S. there are 20 million positive cases of Covid, 12 million recovered and 356,000 deaths caused by Covid.

Mortality rate = 2.85%, this means that 1 in 35 that contract covid will perish. Currently there are 8,114,362 active cases. At a 2.85% mortality rate this means that at least another 220,000 people will perish even if there are no new cases.

On a per capita basis there are 2442 active cases of Covid per 100,000 (2.4%). This is equates to 1 in 41 people. Think of it this way if you are in a room with 41 people one person will be infected.

There were approx. 22,000 deaths due to flu in 2019-2020.

 

[beckster51]

For what it's worth, I heard this statistic on the radio this morning:
Deaths in the USA due to COVID-19 ~ 20 million
Deaths in the USA due to the Flu ~ 50 million (and that's with easy access to the vaccine!)

Something to think about, especially since the damage to our economy due to the Lock Down may be irreparable. So, buckle up, peeps. 2021 is going to be a long and bumpy road.

In what time frame? Without a time frame, Zany, this makes no sense.

 

[redhead1226]

This is .. nonsense.

Im not sure why this is allowed here! This brings nothing good here to this forum! Im surprised its here.

 

[beckster51]

Im not sure why this is allowed here! This brings nothing good here to this forum! Im surprised its here.

I agree, although I find myself unable to ignore it when it is pushing disinformation on people. Perhaps the forum should ban conspiracy theories. That's what FB is for.

 

[Zany_in_CO]

As of today, in the U.S. there are 20 million positive cases of Covid, 12 million recovered and 356,000 deaths caused by Covid.

There were approx. 22,000 deaths due to flu in 2019-2020.

I stand corrected. Thank you, @Ishone.
That will teach me not to post stuff I heard on the radio at sun-up before I even had my coffee!