Bulk Store Soaps

[egirlxx7]

There is a company selling their soaps in a local bulk store. The soaps are said to be I believe all natural soaps,
however the bars do look very commercialized, the ingredients listed on their site for their soaps are as followed:

for example:

Evening Primrose
Sodium Palmate, Sodium Palm Kernelate, Palm Kernel Acid, Glycerin, Sodium Chloride, Oenothera Biennis (Evening Primrose) Oil, Beta Carotene Colour, Parfum (Cedarleaf*, Citronella*, Clove*, Lemongrass*, Orange*) *essential oils , and

Tea Tree Oil
Sodium Palmate, Sodium Palm Kernelate, Palm Kernel Acid, Glycerin, Sodium Chloride, Melaleuka Alternifolia (Australian Tea Tree Oil) Leaf Oil

Pure Glycerine Soap
Sodium tallowate, Sodoium cocoate, Ricinus Comunis (Castor) seed oil, Sucrose, Glycerin

would you make a soap out of those ingredients listed?

would the soaps I make at home still be a better quality?

 

[sudbubblez]

Those are the same ingredients in homemade CP soap. I don't see any detergents or surfactants in there. These are palm and palm kernel based recipes. Now, I see "sodium chloride", that is salt. Salt is used to harvest out the glycerin. In that respect, I would say our soap is better because we leave the glycerin in it. Commercial soapmakers use the salt to make the soap separate from the glycerol so it can then be skimmed off, distilled and purified into glycerin, and then sold as a byproduct. Harvesting it out also makes the bars harder.

I'm pretty sure these are lye soaps like we make. If it was MP there would be solvents in there too.

 

[Genny]

Sometimes some CP & MP soapers put salt in their soaps as well. Not just for a salt bar, some put it in there to help make it harder.
The ingredients look like what home soapers would make their soap out of.

The bottom one looks like it's either HPMP or it's MP.

But whethere or not your homemeade soaps are better quality, matters all in what you put in yours, how well you make yours and whether or not you like yours more.

 

[egirlxx7]

viewing their bars in person they don't look "rich and creamy" to me, and the bars do look and feel very hard

and yes, I was wondering as to all the sodium in their ingredients, thank you for informing me that salt helps to separate the glycerin

when i see sodium tallowate, I'm thinking salt from the animal fats/byproducts , sodium palmate: i think salt from palm oils, etc.


Seeing this I would also think that the bars would be more drying to the skin

 

[Aquarius]

Sodium palmate or sodium palm kernelate is the same thing as if they would write saponified palm oil, saponified palm kernel oil. When you mix the lye(SODIUM hydroxide) and the fatty acids (oils) they react and palm oil + lye (NaOH) = sodium palmate or saponified palm oil.

All the ingredients seem natural and they might not even be adding nor salt (sodium chloride NaCl) or glycerin since they are both biproducts of the reaction between the fats and the lye.

Soap itself is chemically a salt.

And one more thing you can't make soap whiteout lye even the MP base is made of lye as it is necessary for saponification and it's either sodium hydroxide (NaOH) or potassium hydroxide (KOH).

 

[sudbubblez]

Nearly every mass produced soap has glycerin and sodium chloride in the ingredients. Its impossible to remove all the glycerin and the salt used to separate it so even if harvested out, it will be in the ingredients list. The addition of sodium choloride means the glycerine was harvested. Sodium chloride isn't a byproduct of the soapmaking process. A large scale business isn't going to add salt to make the bars harder, they will do it so they can make more money selling the glycerine. The reason these soaps are heavy in PKO is because it yields more glycerine by weight than other oils.

Yes, your soap is better, albeit softer.

That last soap "Pure Glycerine Soap" Has not had its glycerine harvested but it is a base of beef tallow and coconut oil. Looks like regular CP soap with sugar added for bubbleage.

 

[egirlxx7]

Yes thank you Aquarius for that info too, I had also thought that's what they meant, I guess it does sound better than saponified palm kernel oil, etc.
and thank you too sudbubblez for your explanations.