Best salty mariner?

[Obsidian]

Any recommendations for salty mariner besides BB? I have theirs now and while its ok, it has a chemically/plastic undertone I don't like.
I smelled a salty mariner wax tart at a market and it was different, a bit sweeter but still salty. Its lovely and I kept my tart until the scent was gone.

 

[IrishLass]

My favorite is Daystar's, who happens to have bought the original codes for it from the now defunct AGE (A Garden Eastward), who originated the scent.


IrishLass

 

[cerelife]

I agree with IL, Daystar's salty mariner is hands down my favorite!

 

[Obsidian]

Thank you both, I'll give it a try.

 

[Obsidian]

My favorite is Daystar's, who happens to have bought the original codes for it from the now defunct AGE (A Garden Eastward), who originated the scent.


IrishLass

How does this behave? BB's rices and accelerates. Workable but is a pain in salt bars.

 

[lenarenee]

I’ve used BB, rustic essentials ( by far the strongest and harshest); and have a bottle of Daystar that hasn’t been soaped. Daystar’s is very different orb. I smell the fresh notes before the salt (harsher) notes. Overall not as strong.

I like them all! Be wary of buying Cedar and Black Salt because it’s super strong and lasts on your skin long after a shower.
It’s way stronger than BB Salty Mariner!!

 

[Obsidian]

Hmm, almost sounds like rustic essentials might be to my liking. I really want a strong salty smell and not so much of the softer fresh notes.
Mostly I just want something that doesn't smell like plastic.

BB's is super mild to me. I used 1 oz ppo and can barely smell it.

 

[lenarenee]

Hmm, almost sounds like rustic essentials might be to my liking. I really want a strong salty smell and not so much of the softer fresh notes.
Mostly I just want something that doesn't smell like plastic.

BB's is super mild to me. I used 1 oz ppo and can barely smell it.

I don’t get the plastic smell in any of those. At one ounce per pound, bb should be strong! The cedar and black salt might be just what you need ! Very similar to bb salty mariner, but on steroids! Perhaps a little less fresh, a touch of almost musk (and I don’t like musk, but I love this). I could send you a bar, it’s a salt bar.

CORRECTION: the fo is called either Black Salt and Cypress, from WSP

 

[IrishLass]

Obsidian- Daystar's is very salty smelling when soaped, which is what I love about it. It's also a fave of my family and friends (both guys and gals) for it's saltiness....and it's strong, too. The scent lasts forever and ever. I never have to worry about fading with this one- it still smells strong in my soap 4 years down the road and I only use it @ .6 oz ppo.

Having said that, though, I need to warn you that it is a fast mover, but if you plan ahead, it'll soap nice for you. I've been soaping with it for 10+ years and it's never seized on me in my soaping pot yet. I've always been one step ahead of it and am able to pour it nicely into my mold and get it evened out before it sets up. Time-wise, I basically have a 3 to 5 minute window of work-time from the time I pour the lye in, to the time I need to get it into my mold ASAP before it sets up. Here is my normal mode of operation with it:

-I use it @ .6 oz ppo

-I use a 31% lye concentration with it.

-Soaping temps: my normal 110F to 115F

-I stick-blend the FO into my oils before adding the lye.

-I don't do any swirls. I color it with just a solid color, and I stick-blend the colorant into my warm, melted fats before adding the lye.

- Once the FO and colorant are stick-blended into my oils, I set the stick-blender aside, decommissioning it for the rest of the soaping session and only hand-stirring with a spatula from there on out, although if things look like they are getting ricey, which has happened in a few of my batches, I have a hand-whisk at the ready, which works really great at smoothing things right back out.

- Although the batter will thicken right up once the lye is added, don't panic, just keep calm and keep hand-stirring to make sure all is combined well. What always happens with me is that it will stay at a consistent, medium to med-thick trace for a window of about 3 to 5 minutes before I need to pour ASAP, which gives me a good amount of time to make sure everything is mixed well. The very second I see it start to get any thicker than that medium to med-thick trace, I don't dawdle- I quickly get it into my mold, because it sets up really fast from that point on.


IrishLass

 

[lenarenee]

Obsidian- Daystar's is very salty smelling when soaped, which is what I love about it. It's also a fave of my family and friends (both guys and gals) for it's saltiness....and it's strong, too. The scent lasts forever and ever. I never have to worry about fading with this one- it still smells strong in my soap 4 years down the road and I only use it @ .6 oz ppo.

Having said that, though, I need to warn you that it is a fast mover, but if you plan ahead, it'll soap nice for you. I've been soaping with it for 10+ years and it's never seized on me in my soaping pot yet. I've always been one step ahead of it and am able to pour it nicely into my mold and get it evened out before it sets up. Time-wise, I basically have a 3 to 5 minute window of work-time from the time I pour the lye in, to the time I need to get it into my mold ASAP before it sets up. Here is my normal mode of operation with it:

-I use it @ .6 oz ppo

-I use a 31% lye concentration with it.

-Soaping temps: my normal 110F to 115F

-I stick-blend the FO into my oils before adding the lye.

-I don't do any swirls. I color it with just a solid color, and I stick-blend the colorant into my warm, melted fats before adding the lye.

- Once the FO and colorant are stick-blended into my oils, I set the stick-blender aside, decommissioning it for the rest of the soaping session and only hand-stirring with a spatula from there on out, although if things look like they are getting ricey, which has happened in a few of my batches, I have a hand-whisk at the ready, which works really great at smoothing things right back out.

- Although the batter will thicken right up once the lye is added, don't panic, just keep calm and keep hand-stirring to make sure all is combined well. What always happens with me is that it will stay at a consistent, medium to med-thick trace for a window of about 3 to 5 minutes before I need to pour ASAP, which gives me a good amount of time to make sure everything is mixed well. The very second I see it start to get any thicker than that medium to med-thick trace, I don't dawdle- I quickly get it into my mold, because it sets up really fast from that point on.


IrishLass

IL, is that for a typical cold process recipe - or for a salt bar? If its for a non salt bar recipe - then using it for a salt bar sounds ….adventurous!

 

[Obsidian]

Thanks @IrishLass daystars does sound nice and there are a couple others fo's I'd like to try too. Any you recommend?
The plasticky scent is slowly changing. Its still a pretty nice scent but I'll never get it again.

I had a similar experience when I made my salt bars but I did a slightly different order. Not sure on temps, I never check but it probably should have been cooler.

Add colorant to melted oils.
Add lye, mix to emulsion then add salt.
As soon as salt is mixed in, add FO, mixed by hand.

Immediately riced, had to stick blend it out. Got about 15 seconds of blending before I was at thick trace.
Quickly poured while it was still fluid enough to do so.
It was pretty thick at this point, enough that I had to use a spoon to level it out. Swirled the tops to make it look half way nice.

I think next time I will use a loaf mold instead of cavity molds. Pour should be quicker that way.

 

[Zany_in_CO]

My favorite is Daystar's, who happens to have bought the original codes for it from the now defunct AGE (A Garden Eastward), who originated the scent.

Good to know! Thanks, Irish. That's one of my favorite scents from AGE... I thought it was gone forever! I have BB's at the moment... sorta ho-hum.

ETA: Day Star is defunct... last post in 2013

 

[Obsidian]

Good catch zany. I sent a text to the number they have on the home page.

Edit: @Zany_in_CO I head back from them, they are still open and taking orders.

 

[Zany_in_CO]

 

[IrishLass]

IL, is that for a typical cold process recipe - or for a salt bar? If its for a non salt bar recipe - then using it for a salt bar sounds ….adventurous!

That's for a typical CP batch. I've made salt bars with it lots of times and it behaves the same way, i.e., stays a consistent medium to med-thick trace for a good 3 to five minutes. I add my salt in that window of time and all actually goes quite nicely.


IrishLass