batch is too soft (HELP)

[Ummi]

:eh:
Help please my soap is too soft and squishy… the followingis the recipe used:

Coconut oil, 76 deg
25.6 oz
Canola Oil
32 oz
Crisco (veg shorten)
32 oz
Olive Oil
32 oz
Water
46.2 oz
Lye
16.7 oz
Fragrance
7.8 oz
It is now in 12 ½ in PVC tube (molds) and is 2 days old.

What can I do to help it harden? Do I have to scrap theentire batch?

Please help.
Ummi:eh::eh::eh:

 

[liafrank]

When I put your recipe through the soapcalc I use, it showed a very soft soap, 29 on a range of 29-54. While I know that you can bend the soapcalc rules some, I think you may have bent the rules a little too much. I can imagine that you would want to let this harden in the mold for days and even then it may never get particularly hard. Your soap was on the lowest end of the scale on cleansing, bubbly and creamy as well. It sounds like you were going for a very conditioning soap. Unfortunatley I'm not experienced enough to know what will become of your soap.

Tweaking your recipe with a soapcalc can really help you get a batch you're happy with.
http://www.soapcalc.net/calc/SoapCalcWP.asp

 

[dagmar88]

Let it sit some longer, but there's a fair change it won't harden up.
I don't use canola in larger amounts as it is prone to form DOS. But other than that, you would have been fine with palm oil or lard instead of vegetable shortening...

 

[DeeAnna]

You wrote: Fragrance 7.8 oz

Almost half a pound of fragrance? Wowser! I hope this is a typo. At the 2% rate I use, the fragrance should be more like 2.4 ounces.

If you really used this much fragrance, just the extra liquid from the fragrance will keep your soap softer than expected for longer than you would like. I can't say for sure, but it is even possible that the chemical interaction of this much fragrance with the rest of your soap ingredients may keep the soap from ever hardening -- a chemistry experiment gone awry.

Even if the soap does harden up enough to unmold, this may be far too much fragrance to be safe on your skin. If you used essential oils, I can say for sure that this is much too high. Fragrance oils may or may not be safe; see the manufacturer's safe usage guidelines. Whether safe or not, I would imagine that much scent might be overwhelming.

I hesitate to say more at this point. Can you give some feedback on whether you really did use this much fragrance?

 

[pamielynn]

At an ounce of fragrance PPO, soapcalc says 7.6oz. This is a fairly big batch - 122 oz of oils plus 52 oz of lye/water.
I agree that there is way too much canola oil in this recipe (26%). I think all you can do is wait and see what happens.

 

[DeeAnna]

One ounce ppo is over 6%, and that's too much for EOs and also for some FOs, regardless of what soapcalc says.

 

[pamielynn]

One ounce ppo is over 6%, and that's too much for EOs and also for some FOs, regardless of what soapcalc says.

Oh, I agree! I was just saying that soapcalc was showing 7.6oz for 1 oz PPO - and I know some people use that calculation. I personally don't go over 3.5% - and even that would be one of those really faint FOs. I always see recommendations for 5% and think that is way too much to risk a whole batch of soap.

 

[stewiesmom]

Rebatch it with palm oil or cocoa butter.


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[sistrum]

With all that water and extra FO it's going to take a long time to harden. Just wondering, where did you get the recipe and why so big of a batch? And did you mean it's all in one half inch PVC tubes?

 

[Nightlilly]

With all that water and extra FO it's going to take a long time to harden. Just wondering, where did you get the recipe and why so big of a batch? And did you mean it's all in one half inch PVC tubes?

She probably meant 12 and a half inch long pvc molds and not 12 molds that are 1/2 inch wide, I hope.

 

[sistrum]

Duh, your probably right, you just never know sometimes.